Dear Editor,
We refer to the letter entitled ‘Islam and homosexuality’ (GC 10.6.08) written by a person afraid to sign his/her name and who is possibly a) not a Muslim, and b) a homosexual/lesbian and afraid of this information becoming public. I quote from the letter: “Islam ‘recognizes homosexuality.’
“Abdul Khalik, the Jakarta Post Headlines Homosexuals and homosexuality are natural and created by God, thus permissible within Islam, a discussion concluded here Thursday.”
Now it is the height of the lack of ability to reason to conclude that because God created a thing it is acceptable practice in Islam.
By this logic we can say using cocaine is acceptable in Islam because God created it; or that we can consume poison because God created that too, and so on.
It is obvious that the writer of the letter and the people whom he quotes have not read the Holy Quran (English translations are readily available) or they would have read that God destroyed the people of the Prophet Lot because they practised homosexuality.
The penalty for practising homosexuality in Islam is very severe, another fact obviously not known to the experts quoted. Maybe the experts in their enlightenment are now in a position to tell God that He acted incorrectly and unjustly in destroying the people of Lot for their practice of homosexuality and in prescribing severe punishments for those who would practice it after!
Islam does not discriminate against any member of the society; but it does not tolerate the practice of homosexuality, same sex marriages, etc, which are aberrant practices and therefore forbidden.
People with thin voices or other manifestations of abnormality cannot be discriminated against, for example, when employment is being sought and in other areas of normal societal intercourse.
It is patently ridiculous to accuse the hundreds of thousands of Ulemaa’ (Muslim Scholars) over a period of more than fourteen hundred years of narrow-minded interpretations, then to assert that only the geniuses quoted are able to give good interpretations. If the persons quoted were Muslims with a basic level of education in Islamic matters they would be aware of the saying of the Holy Prophet (May the Peace and blessings of God be upon him) that correct guidance resides in that guidance given by the majority of people of learning (Ulamaa’).
Aberrations like this will surface from time to time and are easily recognizable for what they are. All parties concerned must refrain from correcting God, accusing Him of incorrect actions and other irrationalities of this sort.
Yours faithfully,
Al Haj Mujtaba Nasir
General Secretary
CIOG
Homosexuals are your borther, your sister, your mother your father, your son your daughter.
No one asks to be gay… they were born that way!!!!
Definitely not!
The scientific and fact-based evidence shows the opposite, and, as part of the ongoing effort to bring to bear solid evidence to counter the deception and emptiness of gay militancy, we offer the 2002 law review “Homosexuality: Innate and Immutable?” by Dean Byrd and Stony Olsen ( http://www.regent.edu/news/lawreview/articles/14_2Byrd.doc )
The 2002 law review concludes:
“Although the popular perception of homosexuality has been that, at least in homosexual men, homosexuality is caused by biological factors, the most current and best scientific evidence appears to show that at most homosexuality is only influenced by biology in a predisposing way. The main studies on whether homosexuality is caused by biology appear to lack a significant amount of scientific support.”
“As one of the authors of these studies said, there is no current evidence of Mendelian type inheritability of homosexuality. Due to the apparent lack of ironclad evidence showing any further genetic or biological etiology for homosexuality, the question then becomes whether homosexuality is a reversible orientation. Evidence and experience of many psychotherapists apparently show that if a homosexually oriented person truly desires to change, then with the help of therapy, it is possible.”
Unfortunately, many therapists and the general public have been mislead to believe that homosexuality is not changeable. Evidence suggests that this perception is heavily influenced by political decisions, not by true scientific research, and that this political pressure is still present today. Evidence is increasing that the homosexual lifestyle has lead to many ill effects on practitioners of homosexuality, both physical and mental health problems, quite apart from the distressing disease of AIDS.”
Readers should also look at Chapters 11 and 12 of Dr. Jeffrey Satinover’s book “Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth” to see surprisingly successful spiritual and secular treatments for those afflicted with Same-Sex Attraction Disorders.
La Vie, good luck with this guy…
Might be interesting to refer to these URL’s. None of this research is conclusive, for either argument, but my question is: if it is a lifestyle choice then who determines it is wrong??
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90781/6431596.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080616-gay-brain.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/16/AR2008061601038.html
Some people may be born gay while some have gayness trust upon them, but the practice of homosexuality and lesbianism is a different matter. It is an abomination.
THERE’S NO PROOF THAT GOD DESTROYED ANY PLACE BECAUSE OF HOMOSEXUALITY. LET’S STOP USING BIBICAL MYTHS TO JUSTIFY OUR CAUSES.
Well said.
There was a story lately that highlights a situation in Afghanistan, were two warlords were fighting to have a teenage boy as his lover.When asked why would they fight for this young boy,one of them answered and said boys are for love,women are for babies.See Irshad Manji’s book(The trouble with Islam)a lesbian writer.
Those warlords are sick. Poor arguement for homos.
It is good to see such a strong and deliberate rejection from the Islamic community on the contents of the GC letter.
Dilemma:
One of the objectives of this continuing exercise is to show that almost every argument posted by pro-gay or gay-militant contributors will, upon closer examination, be seen to have engaged in outright lies, twisted logic, wholesale efforts at deception, or some subtle combination of the three. The person who posted the original letter (GC 10.6.08) does not disappoint as he/she attempts to confuse readers about a “new” Islamic dispensation.
Illustration:
Firstly, I would have thought differently to that person’s suggestions given the very compassionate and balanced, but nevertheless eminently strong rejection of homosexuality in at the Islamic website http://www.IslamOnline.net
Secondly, the person should read the several commentaries under the caption “Homosexuality: The Nature of Perversion” (it IS still considered a perversion in Islam) at http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporary/2003/07/Article02.shtml .
Thirdly, since gay activists prefer to deal with the superlatives of “human rights” arguments in an all out effort to distract attention from the reality of their death-style, we should direct you immediately to the article ” Diseases Related To Homosexuality” by Dr. Nadia El-Awady at http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporary/2003/02/article01-7.shtml .
The range of diseases (mental illness, Kaposi Sarcoma, Hodgkins Disease, Anal Cancer, Impairment of Immune Response, and Aids, illustrate why the gay-militant community will always, without exception , attempt to seize or control the health sector in activist states. The idea seems to first limit the epidemiological response, then control the way in which the disease is reported.
Fourthly, Islam looks at homosexuality and lesbianism as sexual perversions. In the fatwa styled “Homosexuality and Lesbianism: Sexual Perversions” ( http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=100855 ) , a group of prominent Muslim scholars deal thoroughly with this serious issue.
Fifthly, Dr. Nadia El-Awady briefly addresses the role of gay activists in forcing the removal of the disorder “homosexuality” from the DSM.(
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporary/2003/02/article01-4.shtml )
Finally, however, we would do well to remember that the article in the Jakarta newspaper ended with these three sentences:
“Condemnation of homosexuality was voiced by two conservative Muslim groups, the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) and Hizbut Thahir Indonesia (HTI).
“It’s a sin. We will not consider homosexuals an enemy, but we will make them aware that what they are doing is wrong,” MUI deputy chairman Amir Syarifuddin said.
Rokhmat, of the hardline HTI, several times asked homosexual participants in attendance to repent and force themselves to gradually return to the right path. “
All religion condems this despicable act . And NO the are not born that way it a self inflicted disease.
Everyone is either born a boy (MALE) or girl (FEMALE)
HAve you ever heard the midwife said it a………mmmmmmmmmmmm GAY or Lesbian?
on June 3rd, 2008 1:15 pm “August 1996
WASHINGTON — Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia — the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals — is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the August 1996 issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical evidence that is consistent with that theory.
Researchers at the University of Georgia conducted an experiment involving 35 homophobic men and 29 nonhomophobic men as measured by the Index of Homophobia scale. All the participants selected for the study described themselves as exclusively heterosexual both in terms of sexual arousal and experience.
Each participant was exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual and lesbian videotapes (but not necessarily in that order). Their degree of sexual arousal was measured by penile plethysmography, which precisely measures and records male tumescence.
Men in both groups were aroused by about the same degree by the video depicting heterosexual sexual behavior and by the video showing two women engaged in sexual behavior. The only significant difference in degree of arousal between the two groups occurred when they viewed the video depicting male homosexual sex: ‘The homophobic men showed a significant increase in penile circumference to the male homosexual video, but the control [nonhomophobic] men did not.’
Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the nonhomophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or no evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the nonhomophobic men showed definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of the homophobic men did.
When asked to give their own subjective assessment of the degree to which they were aroused by watching each of the three videos, men in both groups gave answers that tracked fairly closely with the results of the objective physiological measurement, with one exception: the homophobic men significantly underestimated their degree of arousal by the male homosexual video.
Do these findings mean, then, that homophobia in men is a reaction to repressed homosexual urges, as psychoanalysis theorizes? While their findings are consistent with that theory, the authors note that there is another, competing theoretical explanation: anxiety. According to this theory, viewing the male homosexual videotape may have caused negative emotions (such as anxiety) in the homophobic men, but not in the nonhomophobic men. As the authors note, ‘anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and erection,’ and so it is also possible that ‘a response to homosexual stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition rather than sexual arousal per se. These competing notions can and should be evaluated by future research.’
Article: ‘Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?’ by Henry E. Adams, Ph.D., Lester W. Wright, Jr., Ph.D. and Bethany A. Lohr, University of Georgia, in Journal of Abnormal Psychology, Vol. 105, No. 3, pp 440-445.
(Full text available from the APA Public Affairs Office.)
The American Psychological Association (APA), in Washington,DC, is the largest scientific and professional organization representing psychology in the United States and is the world’s largest association of psychologists. APA’s membership includes more than 142,000 researchers, educators, clinicians, consultants and students. Through its divisions in 49 subfields of psychology and affiliations with 58 state and Canadian provincial associations, APA works to advance psychology as a science, as a profession and as a means of promoting human welfare. ”
Gap 1 addresses two issues: “homophobia” and the “credentials of the APA”.
We offer six evidenced-based rebuttal resources for persons opposed to her views on Same-Sex Attraction Disorders:
EVIDENCE 1:
A “phobia” is properly defined as an irrational fear. What’s irrational about the following?
Source: Dr. Steve Baldwin’s law review “Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement” ( http://www.regent.edu/news/lawreview/articles/14_2Baldwin.doc ; 14 REGENT U.L. REV. 267 2002): Regent University’s “Homosexuality, Truth Be Told ” law review series.
“Unfortunately, the truth is stranger than fiction. Research confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals, and the mainstream homosexual culture commonly promotes sex with children. (
See W.D. Erickson et al, Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters, 17 ARCHIVES SEXUAL BEHAV. I, 83 [1988] and numerous other references on page 2 of 16 in Dr. Baldwin’s review). Homosexual leaders repeatedly argue for the freedom to engage in consensual sex with children, and blind surveys reveal a shockingly high number of homosexuals admit to sexual contact with minors. Indeed, the homosexual community is driving the worldwide campaign to lower the age of consent”
EVIDENCE 2:
Source: “Gay Orthodoxy and Academic Heresy”, by Ty Clevenger
( http://www.regent.edu/news/lawreview/articles/14_2Clevenger.doc ); part of Regent University’s “Homosexuality, Truth Be Told” law review series.
“At a recent meeting of the American Psychological Association (APA), for example, former APA President Robert Perloff denounced the organization as “too politically correct” and beholden to special interests. He noted that the organization had tried to prevent research into “conversion therapy” (therapy to change one’s sexual orientation) and had tried to label it “unethical” a priori, even when the patient wants conversion therapy. The APA blocked presentations from researchers on whether sexual orientation can be changed through counseling and therapy, yet it published controversial research suggesting that sex between children and adults may not be harmful and then styled itself a defender of academic freedom (prompting both houses of Congress to take the unusual step of passing a unanimous resolution of condemnation).”
It’s now our painful task yet again to furnish the summary of evidence of scantly nine years ago, as the APA attempted to provide the legal community with the tools to “normalize” pedophilia. Note that this time members of Congress were involved in the denunciation.
EVIDENCE 3:
“APA Pedophilia Report Condemned”; 12th May 1999
http://www.cnsnews.com/InDepth/archive/199905/IND19990512g.html
“The article, “A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples,” by Bruce Rind, Philip Tromovitch and Robert Bauserman, unleashed a firestorm for asserting, among other things, that there is scant evidence that little boys suffer from having been sodomized by adult males.” ….
“The report also will have consequences for the legal system. A prosecutor of sex cases said the APA’s failure to retract or condemn the report will be used by lawyers, who already are allowed to put blame on the victims, depicting young girls as seducers and teenagers as nymphs, to defend pedophiles.”
“The report says if you don’t know it has happened, it’s ok,” said Bob Flores, a senior counsel with the National Law Center for Children and Families.”
“The legal situation in prosecuting sex offenders has deteriorated to the point where prosecutors have to ask themselves who the judge is in a given case and whether a trial would only result in more trauma and suffering for the child, Flores said.”
EVIDENCE 4:
“APA pedophilia on the march”
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16148
“After the American Psychiatric Association removed pedophilia as sexual perversion in its 1994 Diagnostic and Statistical Manual IV, it was only a matter of time until The American Psychological Association would ease us further toward legalizing child sexual abuse. Illinois State Representative Bob Biggins introduced House Resolution 325 damning the APA Rind study that found “sexual relationships between adults and willing children” might be “positive.””
EVIDENCE 5:
“Brace yourself for the public promotion of pedophilia”
http://members.iquest.net/~macihms/Education/apapadeo.html
EVIDENCE 6:
“From Playboy to Pedophilia: How Adult Sexual Liberation leads to Children’s sexual Exploitation”.
http://www.witherspoonfellowship.org/index.cfm?get=item&b=7&item=WT02G1#
“Cultural conservatives, having observed with horror the precipitous decline in public decency over the last generation, must ask with an even greater dread: What comes next? Mary Eberstadt, writing in The Weekly Standard, provides an unsettling answer in her two articles, “Pedophilia Chic” and “Pedophilia Chic Reconsidered”: “The social consensus against the sexual exploitation of children and adolescents . . . is apparently eroding,” she notes, documenting her claim with a disturbing survey of recent literature, science, and social commentary arguing for, or insinuating the normality of, adult sexual contact with teenagers and even prepubescent children.”
In Summary:
Joseph Nicolosi’s “The Removal of Homosexuality from the Psychiatric Manual” ( http://www.catholicsocialscientists.org/Symposium2–Nicolosi–mss.htm ) sums up the deception and activism that informs Gap1’s comments:
“Militant gay advocates working in a small but forceful network have caused apathy and confusion within our society. They insist that acceptance of the homosexual as a person cannot occur without endorsement of the homosexual condition. Intellectual circles too–who are self-conscious about sounding intolerant–proclaim homosexuality as normal, yet it is still not so for the average person for whom it “just doesn’t seem right.”
let me get this you can be born with 8 limbs, both sex organs, no sex organs, no arms, double organs, no organs etc etc but you cant be born attracted to the same sex?
you religious zealots need to get a life and leave people alone
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Homosexuality is abomidable, shameful, heinous, & everything that is against the will of The God Almighty. Allah created mankind with the ability to choose between right & wrong, good & evil, etc., To say Allah made people born attracted to the same is absolutely basphemous. You have the God given right to do as you please, but you can’t blame Allah for the mental illness you choose to partake in. As Salaamu Alaikum!
The answer to the question: “Who determines if a particular death-style is wrong?” is initially answered, perhaps, at two levels (the social policy level, and then medically).
Firstly, social policy:
1. David Lee Mundy, Editor in Chief of the Regent University’s “Homosexuality, Truth Be Told” Law Review Series ( http://www.regent.edu/news/lawreview/articles/14_2editorsnote.doc ) …
“So we are left with the unpopular job of setting the record straight. The legal community has a right to know, among other things, that a link exists between homosexuality and the sexual abuse of children, that the American Psychiatric Association was hijacked by homosexual activists, that homosexuality is being marketed to children, that studies claiming that homosexual parenting does not harm children are questionable, that homosexuality is not immutable, and that homosexual advocates are calling for the legalization of pedophilia.”
2. Dr. Steve Baldwin’s law review “Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement” ( http://www.regent.edu/news/lawreview/articles/14_2Baldwin.doc ; 14 REGENT U.L. REV. 267 2002):
“Unfortunately, the truth is stranger than fiction. Research confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals, and the mainstream homosexual culture commonly promotes sex with children. (
See W.D. Erickson et al, Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters, 17 ARCHIVES SEXUAL BEHAV. I, 83 [1988] and numerous other references on page 2 of 16 in Dr. Baldwin’s review). Homosexual leaders repeatedly argue for the freedom to engage in consensual sex with children, and blind surveys reveal a shockingly high number of homosexuals admit to sexual contact with minors. Indeed, the homosexual community is driving the worldwide campaign to lower the age of consent”
Secondly, the medical imperative for developing states:
Kate Leishman reports that in 1988, though representing less than 5% of the U.S. population, homosexuals were responsible for 50% of the nation’s cases of syphilis and a “phenomenal incidence of venereal disease”.
(Source: Kate Leishman, “AIDS and Syplillis”, The Atlantic Monthly. January 1988, 20, 21; E. Rowe, “Homosexual Politics”, CLA, 1984, , 17; P. Buchanan and J. Muir, “Gay Times and Diseases,” The American Spectator, August 1984, 15-18; L. Corey and A. Holmes, “Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis A in Homosexual Men”, New England Journal Of Medicine 302 1980 435-8; Gerald Mandell et al., eds., Principles and Practice of Infectious Diseases, 3rd ed., New York, John Wiley 1990, 2280-84; J. Kassler, “Gay Men’s Health”, New York, Harper & Row, 1983, 38;) … as quoted in Roger Magnuson’s “Are Gay Rights Right? Making Sense of the Controversy!; Multnomah Press)
Drug-resistant forms of syphillis and gonorrhea are rising, and then then came MRSA 20 years later in 2008: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22665539/ …
As outlined below, the range of diseases known to be dominant in the homosexual population (mental illness, Kaposi Sarcoma, Hodgkins Disease, Anal Cancer, Impairment of Immune Response, MRSA and Aids, illustrate why the gay-militant community will always, without exception, attempt to seize or control the health sector in activist states. The idea seems to first limit the epidemiological response, then control the way in which Same-Sex Attraction Disorders are reported.
you guys should read your bible or don’t bring the bible into ur argument. Every major religion of the world condemn homosexuality pracrice.
When i see whats going on with the homosexual movement it makes me believe more in what the bible say.
“They will give up the natural uses of their body for unnatural ones, men will sleep with men and woman will do the same”
God loves homosexual the same way He love all other, but he hates their sinful practices.