Comments on: What were the reasons for breaking with England and the Privy Council? http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/11/22/what-were-the-reasons-for-breaking-with-england-and-the-privy-council/ Guyana News, Sports, Businesss and Entertainment Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:03:53 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Richard Lewis http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/11/22/what-were-the-reasons-for-breaking-with-england-and-the-privy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-59175 Richard Lewis Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:46:37 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31162#comment-59175 Hoooray Gap1. Telll it like it is. Talk about brain dead people...Guyana is loaded with them..and daa spread all over de place too.....their brains died with Burnham and Jagan and since then they cannot think (I would like to say rationally but must instead say), at all. They only remember what happened 40 years ago but cannot focus on the atrocious situation that exists in Guyana today nor visualize what could be a glorious future if the country had the capable rulers. Guyana is still losing the battle to come into the 21st century. Hoooray Gap1. Telll it like it is. Talk about brain dead people…Guyana is loaded with them..and daa spread all over de place too…..their brains died with Burnham and Jagan and since then they cannot think (I would like to say rationally but must instead say), at all. They only remember what happened 40 years ago but cannot focus on the atrocious situation that exists in Guyana today nor visualize what could be a glorious future if the country had the capable rulers. Guyana is still losing the battle to come into the 21st century.

]]> By: gap1 http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/11/22/what-were-the-reasons-for-breaking-with-england-and-the-privy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-59070 gap1 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:22:54 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31162#comment-59070 Those who forget the past are bound to repeat it but those like you and Bisram are failing to smell the stench of the decay in your points of view. You political fossils are so fixated in the past, you fail to see our future, feel our optimism for our Guyana, voice the dream of unity. Burnham/Jagan, who cares????!!!! They're dead. Bury them already! And Bisram, GuyFlag, the lot of you, if you need a train out of the age of the dinosaurs, take the 2008 train out of there. For you guys, it would be a long journey. Some of you may never get here! Those who forget the past are bound to repeat it but those like you and Bisram are failing to smell the stench of the decay in your points of view. You political fossils are so fixated in the past, you fail to see our future, feel our optimism for our Guyana, voice the dream of unity.

Burnham/Jagan, who cares????!!!! They’re dead. Bury them already!

And Bisram, GuyFlag, the lot of you, if you need a train out of the age of the dinosaurs, take the 2008 train out of there. For you guys, it would be a long journey. Some of you may never get here!

]]> By: Kaieteur Gold http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/11/22/what-were-the-reasons-for-breaking-with-england-and-the-privy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-58888 Kaieteur Gold Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:00:40 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31162#comment-58888 Then, "God Bless America" for you and for me too - huh! ;-) Then, “God Bless America” for you and for me too – huh! ;-)

]]> By: GUYFLAG http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/11/22/what-were-the-reasons-for-breaking-with-england-and-the-privy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-58774 GUYFLAG Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:11:43 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31162#comment-58774 I do agree with Bisram, however, that Burnhams rush to declare his independence from the Privy Council, had little to do re the pursuance of enhanced justice system for the Guyanese people. but more for the imposition of his unfettered authority...... the ensuing years of his rule confirms this... I do agree with Bisram, however, that Burnhams rush to declare his independence from the Privy Council, had little to do re the pursuance of enhanced justice system for the Guyanese people. but more for the imposition of his unfettered authority…… the ensuing years of his rule confirms this…

]]> By: GUYFLAG http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/11/22/what-were-the-reasons-for-breaking-with-england-and-the-privy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-58773 GUYFLAG Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:03:40 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31162#comment-58773 Why the argument, Breaking with the privy Council, should be considered, a natural progression, post self Govt, and Nationhood, ..... the success or viability of such action like all the other consequences that followed Independence, depended on what replaced the institution, and more importantly who were going to be the decisionmakers....... unfortunately in our case and many other 3rd. world states..... Those that took over, were not up to the task..... .. + their lives were at the mercy of the new Political "Emperors".... hence in my opinion There is nothing to be "proud or not Proud about".... ... Even in the USA today.... the final jUdicial body.... The Supreme Court....... decisions appear to be coloured by Its members Ideological, and even Political persuasions..... Why the argument, Breaking with the privy Council, should be considered, a natural progression, post self Govt, and Nationhood, ….. the success or viability of such action like all the other consequences that followed Independence, depended on what replaced the institution, and more importantly who were going to be the decisionmakers……. unfortunately in our case and many other 3rd. world states….. Those that took over, were not up to the task….. .. + their lives were at the mercy of the new Political “Emperors”…. hence in my opinion There is nothing to be “proud or not Proud about”…. … Even in the USA today…. the final jUdicial body…. The Supreme Court……. decisions appear to be coloured by Its members Ideological, and even Political persuasions…..

]]> By: gap1 http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/11/22/what-were-the-reasons-for-breaking-with-england-and-the-privy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-58748 gap1 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:54:17 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31162#comment-58748 Talking about wanting to walk backwards! What does it matter now anyway? And why is Bisram putting all of this on Burnham's back. Give Cheddie is fair weight of the credit or blame, whichever--half of it! Could this man ever write without showing his PPP stripes and just be a Guyanese for a change? He has turned a perfectly ligitimate question into politics as usual. I am much too young to have to always tolerate this mess from older Guyanese and their baggage! It sucks! Talking about wanting to walk backwards! What does it matter now anyway? And why is Bisram putting all of this on Burnham’s back. Give Cheddie is fair weight of the credit or blame, whichever–half of it!

Could this man ever write without showing his PPP stripes and just be a Guyanese for a change? He has turned a perfectly ligitimate question into politics as usual.

I am much too young to have to always tolerate this mess from older Guyanese and their baggage! It sucks!

]]> By: Caesar Agustus http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/11/22/what-were-the-reasons-for-breaking-with-england-and-the-privy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-58507 Caesar Agustus Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:58:24 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31162#comment-58507 Simple. Whitehall is as outdated as you can get. A better system would have been the American system. Simple. Whitehall is as outdated as you can get. A better system would have been the American system.

]]> By: Esther http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/11/22/what-were-the-reasons-for-breaking-with-england-and-the-privy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-58493 Esther Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:24:53 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31162#comment-58493 i would suggest mr. bisram also consider the judgments given by the Guyana Court of Appeal which have been used and or referred to in Privy Council decisions. as well as the fact that the english courts are eager to get rid of the Privy Council as well. returning to or lamenting over the Privy Council is no solution to the problems with the Judiciary have you read these Privy Council decisions to decide whether they are worth following or praising so highly i would suggest mr. bisram also consider the judgments given by the Guyana Court of Appeal which have been used and or referred to in Privy Council decisions.
as well as the fact that the english courts are eager to get rid of the Privy Council as well.
returning to or lamenting over the Privy Council is no solution to the problems with the Judiciary
have you read these Privy Council decisions to decide whether they are worth following or praising so highly

]]> By: M. Xiu Quan-Balgobind-Hackett http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/11/22/what-were-the-reasons-for-breaking-with-england-and-the-privy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-58486 M. Xiu Quan-Balgobind-Hackett Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:03:53 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31162#comment-58486 B.C.Pires once gave a satirical answer to your question and ending with words to this effect: We had the Privy Council in England, now we have the privy coming down the street just outside the High Court. If you pass near GT court you will see the privy running down the street. B.C.Pires once gave a satirical answer to your question and ending with words to this effect:
We had the Privy Council in England, now we have the privy coming down the street just outside the High Court. If you pass near GT court you will see the privy running down the street.

]]> By: Cochore http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/11/22/what-were-the-reasons-for-breaking-with-england-and-the-privy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-58484 Cochore Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:57:23 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31162#comment-58484 In the beginning, Guyana becoming a Republic was much more symbolism than substance, because it was basically exchanging one demon for another. At the time, it appeared that dealing with our own demon might be much better than the dreaded and often inflexible British demon. However, our immature judicial system quickly became highly politicize, where the simplest form of judicial recourse became an adventure into the political workings of the society. At first, this new behavior wasn't necessary of Burnham's doing, in fact, he merely capitalized on his growing larger than life image which everybody appear to readily idolized. This was the sign of the times, a blind venture into unknown territory and nobody wanted to rock the boat. The PPP as the then political opposition was highly intimidated with these new developments of state and took a ring-side seat spectating Burnham's sudden grandeur. Oh yes, the PPP was culpable here, because they were also mesmerized about the idea of Guyana becoming a Republic and didn't want to be labeled the scrooge either. Although I was a teenager at the time, I know of a judicial situation involving a case which might have been referred to the Privy council, where a local Judge phoned Congress Place to ask Burnham as to how he would handle that specific situation. It was this 'not-knowing-what-to-do', now that Guyana was a Republic behavior that Burnham capitalized on. Maybe because folks thought that he was more legally astute than everybody else and had all of the answers. In the beginning, Guyana becoming a Republic was much more symbolism than substance, because it was basically exchanging one demon for another. At the time, it appeared that dealing with our own demon might be much better than the dreaded and often inflexible British demon.

However, our immature judicial system quickly became highly politicize, where the simplest form of judicial recourse became an adventure into the political workings of the society. At first, this new behavior wasn’t necessary of Burnham’s doing, in fact, he merely capitalized on his growing larger than life image which everybody appear to readily idolized. This was the sign of the times, a blind venture into unknown territory and nobody wanted to rock the boat.

The PPP as the then political opposition was highly intimidated with these new developments of state and took a ring-side seat spectating Burnham’s sudden grandeur. Oh yes, the PPP was culpable here, because they were also mesmerized about the idea of Guyana becoming a Republic and didn’t want to be labeled the scrooge either.

Although I was a teenager at the time, I know of a judicial situation involving a case which might have been referred to the Privy council, where a local Judge phoned Congress Place to ask Burnham as to how he would handle that specific situation. It was this ‘not-knowing-what-to-do’, now that Guyana was a Republic behavior that Burnham capitalized on. Maybe because folks thought that he was more legally astute than everybody else and had all of the answers.

]]> By: El Diablo http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/11/22/what-were-the-reasons-for-breaking-with-england-and-the-privy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-58387 El Diablo Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:39:21 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31162#comment-58387 Hola Vishnu, i don't understand........Why don't you go read a history book?...Oo not your area of expertise,i'm sorry i asked..... Hola Vishnu, i don’t understand……..Why don’t you go read a history book?…Oo not your area of expertise,i’m sorry i asked…..

]]> By: Andy http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/11/22/what-were-the-reasons-for-breaking-with-england-and-the-privy-council/comment-page-1/#comment-58374 Andy Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:07:23 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31162#comment-58374 After 28 years of the PNC and 16 years, Guyanese are no better off today than they were under British rule. And if Bisram's assessment of Bermuda and Aguilla is correct, then the fact that Guyanese are running to live there is an indictment against our political leaders who run around beating their chests in self righteousness are absolute failures. Can you imagine the President openly questioning judges' rulings? Can you imagine the government trying to interfere with the duties of the Chancellor and Chief Justice? Can you imagine a Chief Magistrate being sent home for four years to be investigated for wrong doing? Can you imagine a sitting justice is also the head of the Judicial Service Commission? The Privy Council was a bad idea decades ago, but what we now have is worse! We are now our own worse enemies, and with enemies like us who needs us as friends? No wonder we are running to countries that were once considered homes to our enemies. These people are probaly laughing their heads off! After 28 years of the PNC and 16 years, Guyanese are no better off today than they were under British rule. And if Bisram’s assessment of Bermuda and Aguilla is correct, then the fact that Guyanese are running to live there is an indictment against our political leaders who run around beating their chests in self righteousness are absolute failures.

Can you imagine the President openly questioning judges’ rulings? Can you imagine the government trying to interfere with the duties of the Chancellor and Chief Justice? Can you imagine a Chief Magistrate being sent home for four years to be investigated for wrong doing? Can you imagine a sitting justice is also the head of the Judicial Service Commission?

The Privy Council was a bad idea decades ago, but what we now have is worse! We are now our own worse enemies, and with enemies like us who needs us as friends? No wonder we are running to countries that were once considered homes to our enemies. These people are probaly laughing their heads off!

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