Comments on: Tales of growth and development omit the harsh everyday realities http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/12/03/tales-of-growth-and-development-omit-the-harsh-everyday-realities/ Guyana News, Sports, Businesss and Entertainment Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:11:36 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: GUYFLAG http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/12/03/tales-of-growth-and-development-omit-the-harsh-everyday-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-64984 GUYFLAG Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:48:28 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31800#comment-64984 DEAR ULRIC , thanks for thoughtfull , and rational comments, an ingredient that seems so scarce.... in this form of communication, ...gives me hope thatthe 'blooging community is slowly coming of age... ...peace..... DEAR ULRIC , thanks for thoughtfull , and rational comments, an ingredient that seems so scarce…. in this form of communication, …gives me hope thatthe ‘blooging community is slowly coming of age… …peace…..

]]> By: ulric http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/12/03/tales-of-growth-and-development-omit-the-harsh-everyday-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-64677 ulric Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:28:50 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31800#comment-64677 While there is clear and consistent evidence that the Guyanese economy has detoriated, a number of factors have contributed to this decline. Yet Dr. Jagan (Joey) seems to think that his father (deceased) is still walking on water, and finds it acceptable to demonize the current leaders of the PPP and hence the Government. Dr. Jagan, today Guyana is fastly moving toward a service-knowledge-information-technology-based economy. Indeed during the past 20 years the Guyanese economy has been transforming from the kitchen garden, small farms, sugar and rice producing economy in which the majority of workers produce primarily for local consumption, with marginal exportation. It was therefore necessary that in light of this developing economy that "HIPC and other donors" give us a helping hand. Of course there is hiccups in the Government's strive to provide the poor with a decent standard of living, but understand, that as the complexity of work increases ( to meet the the transforming economy) there has been concomitant increase in technical, professional and managerial education and consequently "some" jobs. These initiatives all cost the Government big bucks. Some of these jobs would not provide outputs that you would call growth or major job creation, which you refer to in Dr. Misirs stats as " spinning the tale growth and development" , but Joey "one step for the individuals one giant leap for Guyanese". I suspect that you now conduct business in Guyana. If this is so, my deductive reasoning would support the theory that there is sufficient incentive and a climate that made it irresistable for you to be a part of the growing business community. The stats mentioned in support of your arguement are not meaningless, but it does not take into account the central difference between the world in your dad's government (the world was round) and the world now (the world is flat).. ISNM While there is clear and consistent evidence that the Guyanese economy has detoriated, a number of factors have contributed to this decline. Yet Dr. Jagan (Joey) seems to think that his father (deceased) is still walking on water, and finds it acceptable to demonize the current leaders of the PPP and hence the Government. Dr. Jagan, today Guyana is fastly moving toward a service-knowledge-information-technology-based economy. Indeed during the past 20 years the Guyanese economy has been transforming from the kitchen garden, small farms, sugar and rice producing economy in which the majority of workers produce primarily for local consumption, with marginal exportation. It was therefore necessary that in light of this developing economy that “HIPC and other donors” give us a helping hand. Of course there is hiccups in the Government’s strive to provide the poor with a decent standard of living, but understand, that as the complexity of work increases ( to meet the the transforming economy) there has been concomitant increase in technical, professional and managerial education and consequently “some” jobs. These initiatives all cost the Government big bucks. Some of these jobs would not provide outputs that you would call growth or major job creation, which you refer to in Dr. Misirs stats as ” spinning the tale growth and development” , but Joey “one step for the individuals one giant leap for Guyanese”. I suspect that you now conduct business in Guyana. If this is so, my deductive reasoning would support the theory that there is sufficient incentive and a climate that made it irresistable for you to be a part of the growing business community. The stats mentioned in support of your arguement are not meaningless, but it does not take into account the central difference between the world in your dad’s government (the world was round) and the world now (the world is flat).. ISNM

]]> By: GUYFLAG http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/12/03/tales-of-growth-and-development-omit-the-harsh-everyday-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-64358 GUYFLAG Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:17:06 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31800#comment-64358 dear sir, you seem to be someone who done a bit of your homework, unfortunately , you also seem to have decided before hand what the results would be..... For some of us it doesn't matter what approach the present Anministration takes the action would always be doomed..... for my education though, could you perhaps list a few enterprises, that were productive or successful during the previous Admin......... Perhaps I am getting info from the wrong sources, but my last check ... indicated .... that sugar prod. doubled post 1992.. Rice trippled. ... bauxite which hovered near extinction, 10yrs. is making an agonised comeback,. .......Gold and diamond production Peaked over the years ... the Municipalmarkets overflow with produce.. and the foreign reserves are up, and foreign debt down.... which other country in the region.... .... beside oil rich Trinidad,... compares?... this mummbo Jumbo of.. skewed stats that seem to be the drift.... is sure an insult to thinking guyanese... Be , informed also that this blogger, though resident overseas, spends upwards of 3 months EVERY... year in guy.... the visual evidence of material progress is overwhelming..... can'nt say the same for ethical andmoral progress .. but the blame for that is subjective..... dear sir, you seem to be someone who done a bit of your homework, unfortunately , you also seem to have decided before hand what the results would be….. For some of us it doesn’t matter what approach the present Anministration takes the action would always be doomed….. for my education though, could you perhaps list a few enterprises, that were productive or successful during the previous Admin……… Perhaps I am getting info from the wrong sources, but my last check … indicated …. that sugar prod. doubled post 1992.. Rice trippled. … bauxite which hovered near extinction, 10yrs. is making an agonised comeback,. …….Gold and diamond production Peaked over the years … the Municipalmarkets overflow with produce.. and the foreign reserves are up, and foreign debt down…. which other country in the region…. …. beside oil rich Trinidad,… compares?… this mummbo Jumbo of.. skewed stats that seem to be the drift…. is sure an insult to thinking guyanese… Be , informed also that this blogger, though resident overseas, spends upwards of 3 months EVERY… year in guy…. the visual evidence of material progress is overwhelming….. can’nt say the same for ethical andmoral progress .. but the blame for that is subjective…..

]]> By: GUYFLAG http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/12/03/tales-of-growth-and-development-omit-the-harsh-everyday-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-64312 GUYFLAG Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:34:34 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31800#comment-64312 Master Rupert, your'e playing with percentages, ... What was mr. Hoyte recovering from?..... If you owned a bicycle and you bought another one, you now have 2, right?... your worth has increased by 100%... .. now if you owned a Toyota 4x4.. and you went out and bought 10 bicycles, what % has your worth increased by?.... get the analogy?.... . so. ... to rise fron the rock bottom, we were at during Hoytes time, bears no comparison.... 20% growth, would' nt even be worth a mention, .... for example during Hoyte My cousins salary was $2,000, ten years after, it was 50 times that, ..donn't want to tell you mine... might make you jealous.... so keep those comparisons for your friends who think like you, over drinks.... Mind you, i really believed Mr. hoyte was a sincere individual who wanted to correct the wrongs he Inherited... but then he was part of the group of mismanagers for years.. before.... Master Rupert, your’e playing with percentages, … What was mr. Hoyte recovering from?….. If you owned a bicycle and you bought another one, you now have 2, right?… your worth has increased by 100%… .. now if you owned a Toyota 4×4.. and you went out and bought 10 bicycles, what % has your worth increased by?…. get the analogy?…. . so. … to rise fron the rock bottom, we were at during Hoytes time, bears no comparison…. 20% growth, would’ nt even be worth a mention, …. for example during Hoyte My cousins salary was $2,000, ten years after, it was 50 times that, ..donn’t want to tell you mine… might make you jealous…. so keep those comparisons for your friends who think like you, over drinks…. Mind you, i really believed Mr. hoyte was a sincere individual who wanted to correct the wrongs he Inherited… but then he was part of the group of mismanagers for years.. before….

]]> By: Evan Thomas http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/12/03/tales-of-growth-and-development-omit-the-harsh-everyday-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-63973 Evan Thomas Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:10:26 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31800#comment-63973 Prem Mizir and Bisram seems to be colleagues and close admirers of Hans Christian Anderson. They are adept at telling "tall tales" which unfortunately some adults like my friend lambada believes. The PPP has skilfully increase domestic borrowing and kept the foreign borrowing down. In my books, this situation has resulted in the hight cost of capital and stagnation of domestic enterprise (other than the drug funded ones). The impacts are different, the expansion of domestic debt while allowing for stability in some macroeconomic benchmarks impact significantly in a negative way on the productive sector. The overall debt stock increases the same way only slower due to exchange rate differentials. The IMF says this type of financing keeps inflation down. My foot...it is basic money laundering since the economy would not be able to accure such levels of domestic savings even with remittances being such a huge number in our GDP. Prem Mizir and Bisram seems to be colleagues and close admirers of Hans Christian Anderson. They are adept at telling “tall tales” which unfortunately some adults like my friend lambada believes.

The PPP has skilfully increase domestic borrowing and kept the foreign borrowing down. In my books, this situation has resulted in the hight cost of capital and stagnation of domestic enterprise (other than the drug funded ones). The impacts are different, the expansion of domestic debt while allowing for stability in some macroeconomic benchmarks impact significantly in a negative way on the productive sector. The overall debt stock increases the same way only slower due to exchange rate differentials. The IMF says this type of financing keeps inflation down. My foot…it is basic money laundering since the economy would not be able to accure such levels of domestic savings even with remittances being such a huge number in our GDP.

]]> By: Jagdesh Mohunlall http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/12/03/tales-of-growth-and-development-omit-the-harsh-everyday-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-63956 Jagdesh Mohunlall Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:57:54 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31800#comment-63956 Mr. Joey Jagan wanted to run for Guyana Presidency. I met Joey a couple of times here in New York. The man Needs should stick to pulling teeth. He cannot run for a baby sitting job. This world will come to an end before Joey ever become President. Let him live in America. Mr. Joey Jagan wanted to run for Guyana Presidency. I met Joey a couple of times here in New York. The man Needs should stick to pulling teeth. He cannot run for a baby sitting job. This world will come to an end before Joey ever become President. Let him live in America.

]]> By: Rupert http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/12/03/tales-of-growth-and-development-omit-the-harsh-everyday-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-63900 Rupert Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:08:08 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31800#comment-63900 Even Lance Gibbs can bat this spin by Joey Jagan that “President Cheddi was alive as leader of Guyana, the growth rate was 7-9%” No PPP or PNC administration or leaders of the their respective parties except for President Hoyte was responsible for economic growth of 7-9%. President Hoyte did stimulate the economy by interjecting money into the rice industry in particular towards the end of his rigged occupancy of the Presidency of Guyana. It happened that President Cheddi Jagan was the benefit of this economic stimulus ---later on during Dr. Jagan rule---as typical Jaganism economics as employed by his first disciple President Burnham came into play--- the economy turned sour once again and slowly took a dive---President Janet Jagan and President Jagdeo continue with Jaganite economics which has defeated Guyana’s potential. Unfortunate for president Hoyte that he reverted back to the typical old style PPP/PNC politics while in opposition and never recovered. The glimpse of 7-9% was never seen again---and that type of Janganite economic has continue unabated. Even Lance Gibbs can bat this spin by Joey Jagan that “President Cheddi was alive as leader of Guyana, the growth rate was 7-9%”

No PPP or PNC administration or leaders of the their respective parties except for President Hoyte was responsible for economic growth of 7-9%.

President Hoyte did stimulate the economy by interjecting money into the rice industry in particular towards the end of his rigged occupancy of the Presidency of Guyana.

It happened that President Cheddi Jagan was the benefit of this economic stimulus —later on during Dr. Jagan rule—as typical Jaganism economics as employed by his first disciple President Burnham came into play— the economy turned sour once again and slowly took a dive—President Janet Jagan and President Jagdeo continue with Jaganite economics which has defeated Guyana’s potential.

Unfortunate for president Hoyte that he reverted back to the typical old style PPP/PNC politics while in opposition and never recovered.

The glimpse of 7-9% was never seen again—and that type of Janganite economic has continue unabated.

]]> By: miltonbruce http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/12/03/tales-of-growth-and-development-omit-the-harsh-everyday-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-63791 miltonbruce Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:26:04 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31800#comment-63791 Why worry with Misir, don't you realise this man hallucinates all the time. Why worry with Misir, don’t you realise this man hallucinates all the time.

]]> By: drumup_change http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/12/03/tales-of-growth-and-development-omit-the-harsh-everyday-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-63786 drumup_change Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:22:27 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31800#comment-63786 "Those at home already suffer the reality of Jagdeo’s adminstration lies." .......michael the people at home like it.....the enjoy suffering under the jagdeo's adminstration.....how many people can afford to read the paper in guyana...... .........the people will stilllllllllllllllllllll vote for the cup.......this symbol ment something and the avrage man/woman starving ....... “Those at home already suffer the reality of Jagdeo’s adminstration lies.”

…….michael the people at home like it…..the enjoy suffering under the jagdeo’s adminstration…..how many people can afford to read the paper in guyana……

………the people will stilllllllllllllllllllll vote for the cup…….this symbol ment something and the avrage man/woman starving …….

]]> By: Justice http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/12/03/tales-of-growth-and-development-omit-the-harsh-everyday-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-63688 Justice Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:39:08 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31800#comment-63688 Dr. Misery failed to realize that this newspaper is read by intellectuals, and that he is not addressing a 'bottom house' meeting. there are many persons like Joey, who are prepared to bat his 'spim'. I urge others to do same. the truth needs to be told Dr. Misery failed to realize that this newspaper is read by intellectuals, and that he is not addressing a ‘bottom house’ meeting. there are many persons like Joey, who are prepared to bat his ’spim’. I urge others to do same. the truth needs to be told

]]> By: Michael http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/12/03/tales-of-growth-and-development-omit-the-harsh-everyday-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-63660 Michael Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:43:06 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31800#comment-63660 Thanks Joey! At least somone is paying attention and ensuring Guyanese and others outside of Guyana recieve the true facts. Those at home already suffer the reality of Jagdeo's adminstration lies. Thanks Joey!
At least somone is paying attention and ensuring Guyanese and others outside of Guyana recieve the true facts. Those at home already suffer the reality of Jagdeo’s adminstration lies.

]]> By: brownboy14 http://www.stabroeknews.com/2008/letters/12/03/tales-of-growth-and-development-omit-the-harsh-everyday-realities/comment-page-1/#comment-63657 brownboy14 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:41:10 +0000 http://www.stabroeknews.com/?p=31800#comment-63657 I hope Caesar in his myopia and confused state, try to avoid the mendacious toxins and ingest good food nutritious for cognitive activity. I do not need to look around, and I guess Joey understand as I do what are the leading and lagging indicators of development. I hope Caesar in his myopia and confused state, try to avoid the mendacious toxins and ingest good food nutritious for cognitive activity. I do not need to look around, and I guess Joey understand as I do what are the leading and lagging indicators of development.

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