Comments on: Army torture allegations Soldiers physically abused, ill-treated

By: yvette munroe

yvette munroe — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:16:48 +0000

the army of all the discipline forces who are here to protect their citizens they are the ones that are being accused of torture , shame on you. you cand o that to your own what about the outside public. the public needs to be aware of you. cry scared.

By: SandHurst First

SandHurst First — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:31:28 +0000

OK…….thats good then……..cause we know about these tortures men since day one.

By: Cheryl (When is peace going to come)

Cheryl (When is peace going to come) — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:38:58 +0000

Criminals can be captured and questioned, but for some reason or the other, most of them are killed instead, I have already begun to know the reason, which is only mine, whether so or not, whether likely or unlikely, the reason some criminals are rather killed than captured is simple, they have information/s, that would implicate other criminals, who most likely are in the GPF, GDF and other big boys in public service, who would be exposed jointly with them, therefore, a dead man tells no tales, it’s better to state that these criminal scumbags first started to engaged by friing first, which casuse the forces to retaliate, using the same methods, why is it that these scumbags cannot be caught alive, which would inform all to really know who are their bosses,? think about it.

By: badlall

badlall — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:31:33 +0000

Sanhurst i knew the name months ago from a NY paper …the names were disclosed by Aubrey Norton ( PNC ) recently

By: Cheryl (When is peace going to come)

Cheryl (When is peace going to come) — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:23:03 +0000

Seems to me that some people are against and some for torture, I personally am against torture and or roughing up, this is taking the law into one’s hands, not a sure way of gaining the truth, “torture/roughing up”, can cause one to lie, to prevent the continuance of pain/s, one can also lie on others, who are really not involve.

There are other ways/means to gather information/truth from an accused, for anyone to force information, whether truthfull or not from an accused ,serves no purpose, only makes matters worst, it’s like a parent that keeps questioning a child over some bad behavioral complaint from someone, which was
inaccurate, therefore, the child refuses to admit knowing the complaint was false, due to this child’s refusal to admit to an inaccurate complaint, the parent uses forcefull methods, (a whipping,) which forces the child in pain/s to admit to an act that was inaccurate.

Investigators, detectives, police officers, GDF personnels etc: should be very weary of this method/s, although when crimes are committed and the accused is proven to be the one who committed the crime, tries to lie his/her way out of committing the crime, this just does not give those involved in physicial torture/roughing up the accused the right.

If we as a society condones these method/s of physicial abuse
and all police officers, detectives, investigators etc:uses physicial force to gainfully have admittance, then there’s no use for the courts system to function, no need for magistrates and judges.

If it’s the right procedure to use, then anytime someone is accused of stealing, we the people, should catch the one responsible or not, and use a method of torture, by way of slamming the head to a wall, burn them with cigarette, burn them with acid etc:, whatever means possible, to force admittance.

If this is done, the same police, detective, would in turn, charge us ,why should anyone be?, what’s good for the goose, should be good for the gander.

I cannot comprehend the attitudes of some humans, at one time it, ok to torture another time it’s not, persons should not have it both ways, we either catch everyone who committ a crime and torture them or we allow the law to work for us.

By: tiger

tiger — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:42:17 +0000

come on swat, read `THE WHOLE’ article again man. or let me repeat a part for you, now this is just a part, i did’nt take it nessary to note other statements as well,` and robertson of berbice, said that he had been beaten, doused with cold water and slashed across the heal with an iron pipe during intorogation, he also said there was marks on his body caused by the electric shocks inflicted on by the two mcid officers, he said too the men had thrown acid on him and pepper sprayed his genitals’ now i dont know what you consider torture, but if i throw acid on any part of your body, it would be interesting to see how you would react.

By: tiger

tiger — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:47:43 +0000

good point lovegt4real,the govt dont believe in this type of intorogation in relation to army personel, they believe that they should be torured to the fullest and most cruel methods by the army’s henchmen, in the very first instance these men claimed that they were seriously tortured, it was only when it became known to the general public at large we had the govt saying it was just a little `roughing’ up by the army, is that the best the govt can come up with,?thats how they see guyanese, stupid,they believe guyanese will believe anything they say, i doubt it i say, the govt will realised their mistakes and by then it will be too late for them.

By: Durbie

Durbie — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:08:58 +0000

Can you educate us on who are the “long arm of the international law enforcement bodies”

By: Soldier

Soldier — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:23:28 +0000

Freespeach even when they are given the jobs…they turn back and thief..Remember the one that stole the army gun the other day..a good decent job..they will never change boy..and all of them ready to blame govt..They are lots of jobs in Guyana.

By: Soldier

Soldier — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:08:15 +0000

Well said Dude..A lot of our friends here are straying from the topic..The main cause of this roughing up saga…I am not seeing anyone coming forward to speak about the innocent lives snuffed out of people by criminals using these guns.. I guess that this is ok..but when the army has to use their method to recover these weapons everyone screams..Certainly u know where their sympaties are…The army need their guns back and they will do a lot more roughing up to get it back..

By: SandHurst First

SandHurst First — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:58:50 +0000

How the hell did you get to mention these guys names????????????

i have tried it and Stabroek News never publish it.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: birds

birds — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:41:51 +0000

An independent inquiry into the torture should be carry out. Medical reports should be made available to those who will be doing the investigation.

The Army and the police should not and cannot carry out this investigation when they were accused. Those people were tortured and abused, that cannot be denied. The question who is the culprit and should be brought to justice sooner rather than later.

This matter will end up like the Gajraj inquiry. All the opposition should come together and call on the UN to for action.

By: LoveGT4Real

LoveGT4Real — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:10:37 +0000

ha ha ha …that’s a good one Sandhurst

By: LoveGT4Real

LoveGT4Real — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:08:38 +0000

quibian, but what if it turns out that these ranks are innocent of the charges, would these methods have been justified?

Is that the approach of the RCMP?

I have always wondered why the Govt. is reluctant to do the common sense thing and make use of the polygraph test. Can you offer a reason?

By: freespeech

freespeech — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:32:52 +0000

they have one excuse, jobs. then, i have one answer, go and till the land, that is what we did, we did not rob, thief or slaughter those that have.

By: SWAT

SWAT — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:24:20 +0000

The GDF officers are not torturers but interrogators….get it straight people! These guys were physical abuse and ill-treated not tortured. Torture involved evidence of injuries, and the report did not find any significant evidence of injuries to draw a conclusion of torture. Where is the broken leg, arms, fingers etc.? These guys are not walking around with a limp. One of them is still in the GDF….go figure!

By: COLj

COLj — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:48:02 +0000

I am rather surprise that you are not interested in the whereabouts of the missing weapons…but rather the means engaged in its recovery!!!…The UN will also be interested in the location of the weapons….

By: GUYFLAG

GUYFLAG — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:12:41 +0000

It is sad that we have descended, to this, but every action there is a reaction.. The temptation of the administration, to use all means at its disposal to protect itself and Guyanese, is understandable. ….. What do you do when 30 AK47S, GO MISSING now followed by anotherone, when the Minister of Agric. and his innocent family are brutally gunned down in there homes, while the people who promised to Bring down the Govt. … standby , smiling and offering encouragement to the evildoers,…. …. When an entire army is posted in Buxton, for over a year , and could find not ONE gun nor one person carrying one, although, every schol child in the village can point out, men roaming the village with AK47s …… .. what.. do you expect? …. All decent citizens abhor torture,… unfortunately these poor guys, seem to be the casualties of war”’…… hope the day will soon come when we could all look back at these things ..and say, NEVER AGAIN….. BUT THIS COULD ONLY COME THROUGH . RESPECT AND COOPERATION between guyanese and their leaders….. not through advocating hate and jealousies…. against one another,…. look around the world today and see where such advocates have gotten mankind….

By: COLj

COLj — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:37:12 +0000

And why not….if these guys know something about the weapon dis appearance…would you like to have the same AK 47 sticking in your face..or your relatives for that matter?….these are offensive weapons meant for carnage…Guyana criminal issues and drug problem can be resolve in less than one week…Guyanese either benefiting from crime or does not have the hormones or organs it takes to resolve it…..

By: fineman cousine

fineman cousine — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:07:09 +0000

does the moderator have something against me if so say it and i will not post every so often my post to this blog gets taken off or not posted at all what is that is so offensive,libelous if one is making a truthful observation,now on this matter of torture this is not the first tme under a ppp maladministration that they use their own people in the security apparatus to carry out this type of activity,only this time they will not escape the long arm of the international law enforcement bodies

By: DUDE

DUDE — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:42:43 +0000

Sorry to spoil the fun here, but, has anyone ever been held accountable for the 30 AKs which were stolen from the GDF bond and are used by bandits (and now, pirates) to kill Guyanese? Let me guess: the AKs mysteriously walked out of the GDF bond while these honourable privates were on duty and all they had to do was say “I am a church boy” and all is well again. Ha Ha Ha.

By: fineman cousin

fineman cousin — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:10:15 +0000

quibian,arnold and freespeech,what goes around comes around don’t complain if your relatives or even your own, god forbid, time comes around,some bloggers are biased in favour of the government,had a good friend who was picked up and almost got sent to gitmo after 911,because he looked different my family and i went out of our way to help him now he is all for torturing people in guyana,guess you are all the same

By: Fulano de Tal

Fulano de Tal — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:58:56 +0000

Herein lie SOME of the reasons why young promising Guyanese chose to go on the opposite side of what some call “the law”. The entire madministration lies to the public about a so-called inquiry & found nothing. So……………………..?

By: badlall

badlall — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:46:33 +0000

i have known the names of these torturers for a long time , they bypass the general of the army and report directly to newgarden street..therefore the head of govt should be held responsible for their actions…