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		<title>By: Griot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Griot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that the standards at UG are a lot higher than we give them credit for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that the standards at UG are a lot higher than we give them credit for.</p>
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		<title>By: Griot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Griot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sky,
I may be an ass, but I am an educated ass.

Yours Faithfully
Dr. Griot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sky,<br />
I may be an ass, but I am an educated ass.</p>
<p>Yours Faithfully<br />
Dr. Griot</p>
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		<title>By: Griot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Griot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ulric check the response to sky from d man himself...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ulric check the response to sky from d man himself&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cummins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cummins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skinner, my line of work is global businesses. I know that I am  not be as smart as you, Randy or many of the other bloggers here but what I have been doing has so far has worked very well for me and the bottom line on the financial reports. Humbly, I think I was a sponsored kid the day I walked onto the C-Level floor of one famous global company as a 21 year old. Thirteen years later, a few job changes along the way and a stint at graduate school I think I have seen and learned quite a lot about businesses and across industries. I’ll admit there is still much more for me to see and learn and I am, as always, willing to do just that. The very little arrogance in me led me to believe that I have left large enough finger prints and continue to leave in global businesses so looking to a gas station owner at the corner was not my first thought for a solution; and that is not to be dismissive of that gas station owner. Now that I know that convenience store owners in TX too have smart ideas when it comes to running giant global and impact businesses I will add them to my rolodex.

You have been good Skinner. I respect your position. I will leave Evan to speak for himself. I am done</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skinner, my line of work is global businesses. I know that I am  not be as smart as you, Randy or many of the other bloggers here but what I have been doing has so far has worked very well for me and the bottom line on the financial reports. Humbly, I think I was a sponsored kid the day I walked onto the C-Level floor of one famous global company as a 21 year old. Thirteen years later, a few job changes along the way and a stint at graduate school I think I have seen and learned quite a lot about businesses and across industries. I’ll admit there is still much more for me to see and learn and I am, as always, willing to do just that. The very little arrogance in me led me to believe that I have left large enough finger prints and continue to leave in global businesses so looking to a gas station owner at the corner was not my first thought for a solution; and that is not to be dismissive of that gas station owner. Now that I know that convenience store owners in TX too have smart ideas when it comes to running giant global and impact businesses I will add them to my rolodex.</p>
<p>You have been good Skinner. I respect your position. I will leave Evan to speak for himself. I am done</p>
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		<title>By: Rajendra_Bisessar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajendra_Bisessar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skinner said

CUMMINS and Thomas, If after two letters from me and you do not get it you never will. I am more than convinced now that there is a dire need for re-education and this education is not taught in schools. I now have a better understanding of the fixed mindset which is causing our demise.

yes Skinner. And Rodney if he was alive woul;d agree with you. He would have introduced a Marxist periodisation of Guyana and definitely materialist dialectics would have been in the cirriculum.

He would have ensured that the nature of class and the exploitative nature of the capitalist system be made known and so people would know why the vast majority would of necessity remain at some level of poverty and unable to enjoy the basic frredom that they fought for.

If he were alive the debate would have been on a higher level.

And Bishop maybe you can explain why the Indians got rich under the PNC? Why most of them supported the PNC? What was the role of the Black workers in defending the PNC? and whether those very Rich Indians continue to grace the office of the President.

That class know how to ensure their interests are looked after. can we say the same for the workers or is it that they have been kept so divided that they are weak and unable to stand up united in theior defence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skinner said</p>
<p>CUMMINS and Thomas, If after two letters from me and you do not get it you never will. I am more than convinced now that there is a dire need for re-education and this education is not taught in schools. I now have a better understanding of the fixed mindset which is causing our demise.</p>
<p>yes Skinner. And Rodney if he was alive woul;d agree with you. He would have introduced a Marxist periodisation of Guyana and definitely materialist dialectics would have been in the cirriculum.</p>
<p>He would have ensured that the nature of class and the exploitative nature of the capitalist system be made known and so people would know why the vast majority would of necessity remain at some level of poverty and unable to enjoy the basic frredom that they fought for.</p>
<p>If he were alive the debate would have been on a higher level.</p>
<p>And Bishop maybe you can explain why the Indians got rich under the PNC? Why most of them supported the PNC? What was the role of the Black workers in defending the PNC? and whether those very Rich Indians continue to grace the office of the President.</p>
<p>That class know how to ensure their interests are looked after. can we say the same for the workers or is it that they have been kept so divided that they are weak and unable to stand up united in theior defence.</p>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Persaud,I was not going to comment but this second posting of yours is straddling on the periphery of narcissism and academic exploits. A man of your accomplishments should not be pounding your chest, it drowns the modest beat of your heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Persaud,I was not going to comment but this second posting of yours is straddling on the periphery of narcissism and academic exploits. A man of your accomplishments should not be pounding your chest, it drowns the modest beat of your heart.</p>
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		<title>By: bishop</title>
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		<dc:creator>bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skinner, I dont get the impression that you want to discuss the african situation. Cummins and Thomas disagree with some aspect of what you said and me too. Rather than take time and discuss the problem you want to ram it down our throats.I urge you to do better.Randy letter fail to tell us what was the levels of production in sugar and rice when PPP left govt in 1964. WE were not told of how many acreas of cane burnt during the PNC in govt and how many during the last 17 years. It is time he rise above this level for I am sorry for his students</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skinner, I dont get the impression that you want to discuss the african situation. Cummins and Thomas disagree with some aspect of what you said and me too. Rather than take time and discuss the problem you want to ram it down our throats.I urge you to do better.Randy letter fail to tell us what was the levels of production in sugar and rice when PPP left govt in 1964. WE were not told of how many acreas of cane burnt during the PNC in govt and how many during the last 17 years. It is time he rise above this level for I am sorry for his students</p>
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		<title>By: F. Skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>F. Skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CUMMINS and Thomas, If after two letters from me and you do not get it you never will.  I am more than convinced now that there is a dire need for re-education and this education is not taught in schools. I now have a better understanding of the fixed mindset which is causing our demise.

&quot;Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Ghandi&quot; were effective in fulfilling only one aspect of Social/political activism. Their successes have not eradicated poverty. The same poeple are still pulling the strings. In the US look at who filling up the jails. 

As a matter of fact, before King and Rosa Parks African businesses were booming. Why? Africans were buying from Africans. The passage of the civil rights bill poured more people into the market place for the White businesses. A lot of Blacks went out of business. 

As I said before we have to re-program ourselves to understand business.  We have to move from being merely consumers. WE also have to identify a business niche. I travel a lot around Texas. In the most remote areas, where minority groups reside, the persons owning the gas stations and convenience stores are Middle eastern - Indian, Pakistani, Jordanian. Food - Chinese

Went to Fort Worth in a predominantly African American area and found the owner watching cricket - Trinidad Vs Australia. The man is from Pakistan. I spent a lot of time with him. People wanted to know what kind of base ball we watching. These folks are fearless. Good question - how are they finding these business opportunities. Net working and being united. There is a lot to be learned. 

Evans and Cummins do not have a clue about what I a putting forward. How sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CUMMINS and Thomas, If after two letters from me and you do not get it you never will.  I am more than convinced now that there is a dire need for re-education and this education is not taught in schools. I now have a better understanding of the fixed mindset which is causing our demise.</p>
<p>&#8220;Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Ghandi&#8221; were effective in fulfilling only one aspect of Social/political activism. Their successes have not eradicated poverty. The same poeple are still pulling the strings. In the US look at who filling up the jails. </p>
<p>As a matter of fact, before King and Rosa Parks African businesses were booming. Why? Africans were buying from Africans. The passage of the civil rights bill poured more people into the market place for the White businesses. A lot of Blacks went out of business. </p>
<p>As I said before we have to re-program ourselves to understand business.  We have to move from being merely consumers. WE also have to identify a business niche. I travel a lot around Texas. In the most remote areas, where minority groups reside, the persons owning the gas stations and convenience stores are Middle eastern &#8211; Indian, Pakistani, Jordanian. Food &#8211; Chinese</p>
<p>Went to Fort Worth in a predominantly African American area and found the owner watching cricket &#8211; Trinidad Vs Australia. The man is from Pakistan. I spent a lot of time with him. People wanted to know what kind of base ball we watching. These folks are fearless. Good question &#8211; how are they finding these business opportunities. Net working and being united. There is a lot to be learned. </p>
<p>Evans and Cummins do not have a clue about what I a putting forward. How sad.</p>
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		<title>By: bishop</title>
		<link>http://www.stabroeknews.com/2009/letters/11/20/what%e2%80%99s-wrong-with-the-logic-%e2%80%93-study-work-save-invest/comment-page-1/#comment-247422</link>
		<dc:creator>bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy Persaud,
Qualify with the listed degrees dont make one an intellectual if your conceptual and analytical ability is poor. Try again, dont believe you can fore us to accept what you write because you have degrees.You and the person you seek to support are behaving the same way.Dont go to the beach if you dont like sand on your toes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy Persaud,<br />
Qualify with the listed degrees dont make one an intellectual if your conceptual and analytical ability is poor. Try again, dont believe you can fore us to accept what you write because you have degrees.You and the person you seek to support are behaving the same way.Dont go to the beach if you dont like sand on your toes.</p>
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		<title>By: Cummins</title>
		<link>http://www.stabroeknews.com/2009/letters/11/20/what%e2%80%99s-wrong-with-the-logic-%e2%80%93-study-work-save-invest/comment-page-2/#comment-247383</link>
		<dc:creator>Cummins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discussion is silly, made so much more by Randy&#039;s letter. There is a saying: &quot;if you are not at the table then you are on the menu”. Skinner thinks to get to table you need wealth. Randy Persaud seems to think the same. I am glad that there were smarter men such as Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Ghandi and even Cheddi Jagan who never thought so for these men and us who followed them would have been eaten long before minority groups (minority is used to stretch beyond the race demographic) accumulated the &quot;Skinner&#039;s wealth&quot; needed to become politically relevant or politically influential. That argument and those who believe it should be flatly ignored and I hope decent people would do just that. That was my final comment on the subject.

Now, I am yet to meet or hear of somebody who champions and actively promotes poverty so this letter provides quite new and interesting information for me. I know of nobody who wants to live (really) poor, the poorer being the better life. Something tells me if that were the case then people would have been flocking to countries like Guyana and Somalia. I know of governments, through their policies (or lack of), that promote poverty so maybe Randy knows of something I don’t. Recently I was particularly interested in the local finance minister’s target GDP growth rate of 4.7% per annum.I compounded that number on Guyana&#039;s GDP per capita ($2500.00) and realized that is would take 45 -50 years for the average Guyanese to attain the living standards of the average Barbadian of today ($19,000);that is without even factoring in inflation and average global growth rates. I saw the government’s policies as promoting perpetual poverty but never knew there were people in the Caribbean and Guyana who actually believe in such a philosophy so much to make it their mission. My initial feeling was the government is trying but not trying hard enough to ease the sufferings of that innocent child whose parents voted either for or against the PPP. Randy’s information opens another avenue in my thought process. 

Now that Randy is blogging with us, can he tell us if the Guyana government possess the “Caribbean Intellectual’s” mind- set and is anti-wealth aka pro-poverty? Moreover, I would like to know if Guyana represents the lone contrarian in the Caribbean.

I look forward to a response and am not interested in your qualifications or personal wealth or what you think of yourself.What keeps me interested in Guyana is that anybody&#039;s little child who wants an opportunity to pursue his dream.He,like me,doesn&#039;t care about politics but just wants to live in a society that works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion is silly, made so much more by Randy&#8217;s letter. There is a saying: &#8220;if you are not at the table then you are on the menu”. Skinner thinks to get to table you need wealth. Randy Persaud seems to think the same. I am glad that there were smarter men such as Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Ghandi and even Cheddi Jagan who never thought so for these men and us who followed them would have been eaten long before minority groups (minority is used to stretch beyond the race demographic) accumulated the &#8220;Skinner&#8217;s wealth&#8221; needed to become politically relevant or politically influential. That argument and those who believe it should be flatly ignored and I hope decent people would do just that. That was my final comment on the subject.</p>
<p>Now, I am yet to meet or hear of somebody who champions and actively promotes poverty so this letter provides quite new and interesting information for me. I know of nobody who wants to live (really) poor, the poorer being the better life. Something tells me if that were the case then people would have been flocking to countries like Guyana and Somalia. I know of governments, through their policies (or lack of), that promote poverty so maybe Randy knows of something I don’t. Recently I was particularly interested in the local finance minister’s target GDP growth rate of 4.7% per annum.I compounded that number on Guyana&#8217;s GDP per capita ($2500.00) and realized that is would take 45 -50 years for the average Guyanese to attain the living standards of the average Barbadian of today ($19,000);that is without even factoring in inflation and average global growth rates. I saw the government’s policies as promoting perpetual poverty but never knew there were people in the Caribbean and Guyana who actually believe in such a philosophy so much to make it their mission. My initial feeling was the government is trying but not trying hard enough to ease the sufferings of that innocent child whose parents voted either for or against the PPP. Randy’s information opens another avenue in my thought process. </p>
<p>Now that Randy is blogging with us, can he tell us if the Guyana government possess the “Caribbean Intellectual’s” mind- set and is anti-wealth aka pro-poverty? Moreover, I would like to know if Guyana represents the lone contrarian in the Caribbean.</p>
<p>I look forward to a response and am not interested in your qualifications or personal wealth or what you think of yourself.What keeps me interested in Guyana is that anybody&#8217;s little child who wants an opportunity to pursue his dream.He,like me,doesn&#8217;t care about politics but just wants to live in a society that works.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajendra_Bisessar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajendra_Bisessar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you guys that speak of Study ... investments. Who got rich as a result of running moonshine in the USA. Who got rich off of drugs? Who got richer from the war in Iraq? Who got rich from the enslavement of people. Who got rich from the enslavement of people?

And Dr. Randy Persaud do you accept that there is imperialism or is that a figment of peop[le&#039;s imagination</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you guys that speak of Study &#8230; investments. Who got rich as a result of running moonshine in the USA. Who got rich off of drugs? Who got richer from the war in Iraq? Who got rich from the enslavement of people. Who got rich from the enslavement of people?</p>
<p>And Dr. Randy Persaud do you accept that there is imperialism or is that a figment of peop[le&#8217;s imagination</p>
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		<title>By: Ulric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ulric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy, I do not have to guess, I know why you were not employed by UG.  You were adjudged to be intellectually shallow. And you have displayed that shallowness here.  No commonsense. I was on your side earlier; now you show yourself to be intellectually impoverished with unparalled disorder and didcord (intellectually diseased)  ISNM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, I do not have to guess, I know why you were not employed by UG.  You were adjudged to be intellectually shallow. And you have displayed that shallowness here.  No commonsense. I was on your side earlier; now you show yourself to be intellectually impoverished with unparalled disorder and didcord (intellectually diseased)  ISNM.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajendra_Bisessar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajendra_Bisessar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy quoted  &quot;I like money so much, I want everybody to have it.&quot;

randy after the filthy rich gets their 70 percent how much is left for the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy quoted  &#8220;I like money so much, I want everybody to have it.&#8221;</p>
<p>randy after the filthy rich gets their 70 percent how much is left for the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajendra_Bisessar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajendra_Bisessar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Evan Thomas,

I applaud your accomplishment.

If you use your credit card to invest then its good. If you use it to purchase consumer goods then it may be a different matter. Even then I would want to believe that the interest rate would be pretty high. And in any event you and other may earn a good living but it is the financial oligarchies that hog the cake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Evan Thomas,</p>
<p>I applaud your accomplishment.</p>
<p>If you use your credit card to invest then its good. If you use it to purchase consumer goods then it may be a different matter. Even then I would want to believe that the interest rate would be pretty high. And in any event you and other may earn a good living but it is the financial oligarchies that hog the cake.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajendra_Bisessar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajendra_Bisessar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy you have yet to commence thinking out of the box. Why do you feel that all intellectuals oy people for that matter are opposed to wealthy people. 

History has created the wealthy. but it has also created as the other side of the coin the poverty stricken. History has also created the filthy rich. Its not a question of blame but understanding the way the present economic structure distributes wealth. Its a question of understanding the structural implication of the level of skewed diatribution of wealth.

If America for instance historically developed the capacity and so consumes 25 percent of the world&#039;s resources and only have 6 percent of the world&#039;s population does this have implications for the reamining 94 percent of the world&#039;s population. And If one were to include the other G7 and their consumption levels how much would remain for the remaining 70 percent of the worlds population.

In the USA if 60 percent of the newely created wealth goes to 60 percent of the population and one percent goes to 80 percent of the population and the real wages of the American workers is falling would this have implications.

are these things we should speak about.

You speak of middle class. maybe you need to define your concept of class. Concepts need to be operationalised so that we all refer to the same thing when we utilise an expression.

Are there any other definition of class that might be more meaningful and which may be more useful in the examination of society and social change. Rather that the upper, middle and lower class how about the working and the capitalist class. Do you feel that these are useful categories to consider as we attempt to examine society and social change.

With all the qualifications that you have I am sure you would find no difficulties is educating us with regards these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy you have yet to commence thinking out of the box. Why do you feel that all intellectuals oy people for that matter are opposed to wealthy people. </p>
<p>History has created the wealthy. but it has also created as the other side of the coin the poverty stricken. History has also created the filthy rich. Its not a question of blame but understanding the way the present economic structure distributes wealth. Its a question of understanding the structural implication of the level of skewed diatribution of wealth.</p>
<p>If America for instance historically developed the capacity and so consumes 25 percent of the world&#8217;s resources and only have 6 percent of the world&#8217;s population does this have implications for the reamining 94 percent of the world&#8217;s population. And If one were to include the other G7 and their consumption levels how much would remain for the remaining 70 percent of the worlds population.</p>
<p>In the USA if 60 percent of the newely created wealth goes to 60 percent of the population and one percent goes to 80 percent of the population and the real wages of the American workers is falling would this have implications.</p>
<p>are these things we should speak about.</p>
<p>You speak of middle class. maybe you need to define your concept of class. Concepts need to be operationalised so that we all refer to the same thing when we utilise an expression.</p>
<p>Are there any other definition of class that might be more meaningful and which may be more useful in the examination of society and social change. Rather that the upper, middle and lower class how about the working and the capitalist class. Do you feel that these are useful categories to consider as we attempt to examine society and social change.</p>
<p>With all the qualifications that you have I am sure you would find no difficulties is educating us with regards these.</p>
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		<title>By: Ulric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ulric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SKY, Mr. Persaud did not sign his letter like most pseudo- intellectuals do, detailing their qualifications, as if to say I AM AN AUTHORITY.  Good for you Randy; bad for you Sky.  I guess you will now name yourself &quot;earth&quot; after being responded to by Dr. Persaud.  ISNM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SKY, Mr. Persaud did not sign his letter like most pseudo- intellectuals do, detailing their qualifications, as if to say I AM AN AUTHORITY.  Good for you Randy; bad for you Sky.  I guess you will now name yourself &#8220;earth&#8221; after being responded to by Dr. Persaud.  ISNM</p>
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		<title>By: Rajendra_Bisessar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajendra_Bisessar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is the situation in countries where most are blacks. Is there any major difference. What is the situation where most are indians. The capitalists whoever they are gets richer at the expence of the workers whoever they are. We are never going to catch up with the white world but we would keep fighting for the crumbs that fall from the masters plate with the strucures that obtains at the present time.
Alas we are too brainwashed by the present system to question it to see beyond it. And we have been conditioned to reject any possible alternatives and that is why even though most of you love and respect Rodney and speak of his miltiracial gathering you completely ignore the thrust of his ideological thinking.

You have to commence thinking out of the box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is the situation in countries where most are blacks. Is there any major difference. What is the situation where most are indians. The capitalists whoever they are gets richer at the expence of the workers whoever they are. We are never going to catch up with the white world but we would keep fighting for the crumbs that fall from the masters plate with the strucures that obtains at the present time.<br />
Alas we are too brainwashed by the present system to question it to see beyond it. And we have been conditioned to reject any possible alternatives and that is why even though most of you love and respect Rodney and speak of his miltiracial gathering you completely ignore the thrust of his ideological thinking.</p>
<p>You have to commence thinking out of the box.</p>
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		<title>By: SKY (Guyana needs Healing)</title>
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		<dc:creator>SKY (Guyana needs Healing)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think words like &quot;intellectual&quot; are best left for others to use to describe you.  In my book humility dictates that I refer to myself as just an individual.  I leave others to supply the accolades.  But thats me.  Everybody is different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think words like &#8220;intellectual&#8221; are best left for others to use to describe you.  In my book humility dictates that I refer to myself as just an individual.  I leave others to supply the accolades.  But thats me.  Everybody is different.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajendra_Bisessar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajendra_Bisessar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure study, work, save, invest. All would rise from rags to riches.

The reality is that no matter what, such an approach within the system that we have would not change the fact that the vast majority in especially third world countries would be in poverty.
In the same way the capitalist countries that took the first leap now controls vast capital that is used to exploit more labour to generate even more wealth for them. those that start late have difficulties. 

In Guyana lets assess who commenced investing and those who followed and wonder if its possible to catch up.

Regardless, why are we using the categories Blacks and Indians when the majority of both are in poverty.

If all of us were to become PHD&#039;s tomorrow somebody would have to collect the garbage. How would we pay them then. i am sure education can give someone an edge but it would in no way change the structure of things. How many of us would become capitalist and appropriate profits to get rich. It would of structural necessity be a minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure study, work, save, invest. All would rise from rags to riches.</p>
<p>The reality is that no matter what, such an approach within the system that we have would not change the fact that the vast majority in especially third world countries would be in poverty.<br />
In the same way the capitalist countries that took the first leap now controls vast capital that is used to exploit more labour to generate even more wealth for them. those that start late have difficulties. </p>
<p>In Guyana lets assess who commenced investing and those who followed and wonder if its possible to catch up.</p>
<p>Regardless, why are we using the categories Blacks and Indians when the majority of both are in poverty.</p>
<p>If all of us were to become PHD&#8217;s tomorrow somebody would have to collect the garbage. How would we pay them then. i am sure education can give someone an edge but it would in no way change the structure of things. How many of us would become capitalist and appropriate profits to get rich. It would of structural necessity be a minority.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy Persaud foolishly believes that obtaining college degrees automatically transforms someone into an intellectual. That&#039;s hogwash a million times over, Randy. It&#039;s also hogwash a million times over to believe that the transformation occurs because someone was selected for a job at a prestigious university, published papers, or supervised other college graduates.

I have been reading your pieces on these pages, and I&#039;m now shocked to learn that a man of your demonstrated intellectual mediocrity can actually lay claim to achievements that normally elevate others to olympian status in the intellectual realm.

Man, spare us your ineffectual boastings and dedicate yourself to the futile task of trying to convince sane and sensible men and women that your PPP is the best thing since they met their first love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy Persaud foolishly believes that obtaining college degrees automatically transforms someone into an intellectual. That&#8217;s hogwash a million times over, Randy. It&#8217;s also hogwash a million times over to believe that the transformation occurs because someone was selected for a job at a prestigious university, published papers, or supervised other college graduates.</p>
<p>I have been reading your pieces on these pages, and I&#8217;m now shocked to learn that a man of your demonstrated intellectual mediocrity can actually lay claim to achievements that normally elevate others to olympian status in the intellectual realm.</p>
<p>Man, spare us your ineffectual boastings and dedicate yourself to the futile task of trying to convince sane and sensible men and women that your PPP is the best thing since they met their first love.</p>
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		<title>By: Raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Randy, I can say why. The answer Sir lies in the quality of &#039;reasonning&#039; you put in the Chronicle and the independent press. When it comes to Guyana you kick academia through the door and sneak in divisive and retrogressive politics through the window.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Randy, I can say why. The answer Sir lies in the quality of &#8216;reasonning&#8217; you put in the Chronicle and the independent press. When it comes to Guyana you kick academia through the door and sneak in divisive and retrogressive politics through the window.</p>
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		<title>By: Raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Randy, with all this academic acolades your letter sounds as though it was written by someone else. Or, dear Randy,  have you killed scientific/analytical reasonning for a few pieces of political quick-silver?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Randy, with all this academic acolades your letter sounds as though it was written by someone else. Or, dear Randy,  have you killed scientific/analytical reasonning for a few pieces of political quick-silver?</p>
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		<title>By: Diamond Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diamond Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan. You are missing the bigger picture. It&#039;s not about you or me. It&#039;s about the black race as a whole. The other races do not see you as Evan Thomas, unless you have a card on your shoulders with your credentials.They see you as black. So if you have realised some folly in your ways, good. The corner stone of the christian religion is, we are our brothers&#039; keepers. To those to whom much is given, much is expected. We should protect the least amongst us. I beg of you not to change your life style, you&#039;ve earned it, but show some modesty. Share the difference between a Camry and a Benz with your less fortunate suffering afro brothers and sisters in the land of your birth. My Third World Cave. It&#039;s better to be late, than never.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan. You are missing the bigger picture. It&#8217;s not about you or me. It&#8217;s about the black race as a whole. The other races do not see you as Evan Thomas, unless you have a card on your shoulders with your credentials.They see you as black. So if you have realised some folly in your ways, good. The corner stone of the christian religion is, we are our brothers&#8217; keepers. To those to whom much is given, much is expected. We should protect the least amongst us. I beg of you not to change your life style, you&#8217;ve earned it, but show some modesty. Share the difference between a Camry and a Benz with your less fortunate suffering afro brothers and sisters in the land of your birth. My Third World Cave. It&#8217;s better to be late, than never.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Persaud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Persaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also want readers to know something else. After my Ph.D I applied for three jobs. One was at a famed seven sisters college. I came second from 252 candidates; the other job I got. I beat out 162 applicants. Guess where I did not get a job my freinds - The University of Guyana. Can you please guess why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also want readers to know something else. After my Ph.D I applied for three jobs. One was at a famed seven sisters college. I came second from 252 candidates; the other job I got. I beat out 162 applicants. Guess where I did not get a job my freinds &#8211; The University of Guyana. Can you please guess why?</p>
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