Comments on: Civil aviation probing aircraft near miss

By: stewie27

stewie27 — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:45:06 +0000

there is a reason why the words went and worked are called past participles. IT MEANS ACTIONS COMPLETED IN THE PAST. that said, i am here, living and working arround and at that same airport. not living in the states and comenting on things that i don’t.
however for freedom from identification i will not specify or list my credentials like you.

By: Pilot230

Pilot230 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:20:20 +0000

17 flights per day at timehri ? I know that Airport better than you do ,i grow up in the area went to school in the area worked at the Airport for 5 yrs before i left to attend flight school,and fly in and out as a ATP/Air Transport Pilot for one of the US Airlines get your facts correct Pal.

By: waynefarley

waynefarley — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:24:36 +0000

There must be some systemic weaknesses in the ATC system in Guyana for there to be such frequent incidents. Without the benefit of the facts surrounding this latest incident, I will not pass judgement, but rather ask a few questions. Do air traffic controllers get mandatory fatigue breaks away from the control position during their tour of duty? When last was there a refresher training course for the current stock of air traffic controllers? Is the ATC system adequately staffed, thereby reducing the need for overtime work? These are just some of the questions must be addressed if we are to mitigate these regular near misses since human error could easily have played a part if one or more answers to my questions is NO.

Moving on to equipment, is there any kind of surveillance? The answer is a resounding NO. The complexity of the air traffic in Guyana demands the use of either surveillance RADAR or Automatic Dependent Surveillance (ADS-B). Situational awareness is seriously compromised if an air traffic controller cannot see the representation of each aircraft on a display. Without surveillance equipment, air traffic controllers must rely on their memory and flight progress strips to visualize where each aircraft is relative to the others. I must admit that that is too much for the human brain considering that the air traffic controller performs many other tasks simultaneously.

What was learnt from the previous incidents? Were they investigated? Have there been new procedures developed to mitigate the reoccurrence of these incidents? It’s sad to say, but until these and other questions are addressed, we will see more of these incidents.

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By: Deze Tante

Deze Tante — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:14:41 +0000

If UG students are failing the test and CXC students have to be trained, I can imagine!!!!! Guyana has gone DUMB and there is not a BRAIN-DRAIN situation but all the BRAINS have been DRAINED into the GUTTERS along with the NAME and PRIDE of the Guyanese. Joe, Samaroo,Evil,Borapork and the whole lot of you intelligent guys should put aside your political differences and work together to improve our beloved country.

ps.

dont fuget fu teck Bisbattie wid yaäl….I gun follow lay-ta if dem Brain-Box go home back

pps.

Bis. like yuh friken fuh put yu name now, U goin on WITH-HELD or should I say ANN-NON-E-MUST!!!!!!

SANDMAN IS WEAH YUH DEAH? A DUZ MISS U

By: Pilot230

Pilot230 — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:47:37 +0000

I got your point Pal but no need for two runways with only an average of four Intl flights per day.Assign proper Airways to out going and inboun flights.Invest in radar coverage for Country,any one can fly in and out of that Country and the jokers dont know a darn thing.Or could it be they dont want to know.

By: stewie27

stewie27 — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:39:44 +0000

It is unbelievable that as a Guyanese, username- peppie thinks that there are only 4 flights per day in our airspace. it just goes to show that very little is known about aviation in this country of ours. Although it was a tragic event, and one that i know VERY little about i feel the need to correct some misunderstandings.
1. They are approximately 10-17 arrivals and departures from our airport on a regular day.
2. The area designated for arrivals and departure experiences approximately 30-45 over flights.
3. That is 45 + 17. Do the maths.
4. criticizing the employer for hiring individuals with just 3 subject CXC, is totally out of place. i know of INDIVIDUALS with degrees from UG being hired and failing to pass even the basic tests required for such a field.

By: C-GOYR

C-GOYR — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:57:46 +0000

Doesn’t SYCJ follow the circuit procedure? In the article it said the LIAT Dash8 was inbound; does that mean it was on downwind, base or final…which one? It didn’t give too much specifics however; I think this near incident might have happened beyond the circuit but in the control zone. We don’t know the year the lear was manufactured but I’m pretty sure it has TCAS on board.

Regardless, someone should have been monitoring the airspace and should have been aware as to altitude, direction, speed and separation of these two aircrafts. How these two ended up on the same course at the same altitude is beyond me.

I just love the reactive approach of the GCAA. It’s histerical, that’s all I can say.

By: ralex

ralex — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:38:14 +0000

If this is happening often, why wasn’t it investegated before? was it because their was somebody more important than me on the plane? I taught we were all born with the same equal right.

By: Korean

Korean — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:35:25 +0000

Once again the people with the Money Bag are excited about the situation that they know exist at CJIA. The fact is that in this day and age, one wonders why in a state with so much land, there is not at least one runway for departure and another for landing. I remember when the Ogle air strip was surveyed with the view of converting it into an international airport. The conclusion was that there were too many trenches that would need to be addressed. The technology is available to develop the airport but the Money Bag is not open for that project, nor is it open to upgrade the existing airport technologically. One wonders when will Guyanese make the Judases (Money Bag Holders) accountable. Politicians will not punish politicians, they all hold on to the BAG.

By: CHEMIST

CHEMIST — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:16:47 +0000

They will be is the same flight level for they are in the same hemispheric range, one indound the other outbound, however I wonder what ever happened to TCAS/ACAS systems on both aircraft.Not sure if the air traffic radar monitor is equiped with labelling capabilities so that the Air Traffic Controller can redily see the difference in altitudes of aircrafts.

By: pepie

pepie — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:22:37 +0000

This is crazy. Pilot230 has a point about the flight path; it is hard to believe that with just about 4 flights day that these kind of lapses occurrs. Other big airpots have hundreds of flights a day and this seldom happens. But then again if you are inviting people with 3 subjects CXC to apply for these jobs what else do you expect. I was told that one of the Caricom Head of State was on the Learjet.

By: Walker de Brit

Walker de Brit — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:26:28 +0000

Was this one of those accidents waiting to happen at CJIA?? I suspect the Lear might have been equipted with TCAS, which is a requirement for flying in US airspace

By: MACK

MACK — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:15:08 +0000

The procedures at the airport needs to updated. The last time I visited the tower, most of the equipment were outdated. We also need to have standard procedures for aircraft flying in and out. There are visual fligh rules in place, but the controllers do very little except monitor the airways. There is limited controlling going on. When atrcraft are within the control zone (normally 25 miles) they need to be reporting to an active controller who is familar with the terrain, and can alert pilots of activity in the area.

By: Jaycee

Jaycee — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:09:07 +0000

Could this have been one of the many accidents waiting to happen at CJIA??
I suspect the Lear Jet may have been equipted with TCAS though, since it’s a requirement for flying in US airspace.

By: Pilot230

Pilot230 — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:02:13 +0000

How can a outgoing aircraft be on the same flight path as the other aircraft inbound. I just dont get it. Did the Learjet Pilot read back his instructions,was he aware of in bound traffic.

By: Commando

Commando — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:52:38 +0000

Until the right expertise is put in the position, there will always be mishaps like this.