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Agricola youths urged to learn from Skinny’s mistakes
– as escapee buried
Jermaine ‘Skinny’ Charles was laid to rest in Agricola before a large, sentimental home crowd yesterday, which also would have been his 23rd birthday.
Villagers viewing ‘Skinny’s’ body in the church following the funeral service yesterday.
His send off at the Penial Wesleyan Tabernacle Church, Water Street Agricola, which got underway around 4 pm following a lengthy viewing at his mother’s residence was punctuated with tears, a few frank comments about his life, some ‘throw-downs’ and a strong charge to Agricola youths to learn from his mistakes.
No one was allowed to even so much as whisper any of those mistakes but a young lad sitting a little distance away from the door at the church likely had no idea. The boy briefly commented that Charles broke out of jail in “hero style” and drew cold, long stares until he smiled and said that Charles was his “solider”.
Charles, a multiple murder accused and prison escapee, was gunned down along with Rondel ‘Fineman’ Rawlins during a shoot out with members of the Joint Services in Kuru Kururu last Thursday. One of their associates, Seon Grant was killed several hours earlier at a shack in Timehri.
With the sun beating down on them and police shadowing their movements Agricola residents turned out in vast numbers to pay respect to Charles who they referred to as “we own”- some lamenting his demise as they strolled to Brutus Street home for an earlier viewing.
Charles lay in his coffin clothed in cream pants and matching long sleeve shirt with a rag tucked in his left front pocket. He wore a white headband and cap. A flag bearing the image of a lion was resting alongside the box. The flag later draped the box when Charles was taken away for burial deeper in the village.
Using Charles’s life, which many said he lived doing things his way and the image of his lifeless body lying in the coffin for all to see, particularly the Agricola youths who turned out, calls were made for different paths to be taken and for mothers to show their sons and daughters what a life in Christ was like.
‘Protect the youths’
Declaring that they were there to celebrate his life and not his deeds, the congregation remembered Charles as the little boy who grew up in Agricola often walking around shirtless. He went to school and later acquired some skills at a technical city school before finding odd jobs then no jobs at all.
He left the village, according to those who spoke, but his roots were there; his mother, family and friends were there. His mother sat quietly throughout the service holding a younger one who many repeatedly begged her to protect.
“Protect our youths and let them walk in your path,” a woman said drawing resounding shouts of approval from the crowd.
The day, though focused on Charles, turned into a sermon about the future of the young men in Agricola and concern for the young women, many of whom, turned out to say tearful goodbyes to Charles.
Women were asked to steer their boys in the right direction and to keep them away from the gun barrel and out of prison, to show them God and to see that they kept in line, and to say a prayer for the village was constantly being looked upon in the wrong light.
Even as the church service was in progress there was confrontation between police officers and scores of mourners who chose to pay their last respects from the road way.
Arrests
Police in plain clothes and uniform, some armed to the teeth, circled the entire village while the body was still at Charles’s Brutus Street home and as the service commenced some of them parked on both sides of the church some distance away. Some of the law men, with big guns, walked through the large crowd in front of the church and this saw them being taunted by the mostly women who were on the road. The crowd became riled after the law men apprehended two young men and took them to their vehicles.
Stabroek News observed two police officers with guns approach a teenager who was dressed in black and standing on a bridge next door to the church. They told the young man to place his hands in the air and then proceeded to search him. With his hands still in the air, they ordered him to their vehicle, which was some distance away and placed him inside. After talking to the young man even as the taunting got louder the police finally released him and he was ordered into the church by the women. Another young man suffered the same fate but after he was released, he immediately left the area.
As the two men were being interrogated by the police, the women on the road quickly ordered the young men among them to go into the church. “Go into the church. You come to the funeral you all go in. No matter wah condition you all in God don’t mind. You see wah happening to them,” one woman shouted even as the young men heeded their instruction and quickly scampered into the church.
“Look how Skinny gat allyu, you all guarding he body and all,” one woman told the lawmen.
Another woman asked, “Is mo bullets you all wan put in he body?”
“Is you all get dem young man like how dem deh. Look wah you all doing to he and he ent do nothing,” another one shouted as the police took away the youngster in black.
Another woman proceeded to bend over and shake her rare end at the police officers much to the amusement of her friends.
Back in church Pastor Suffrien asked persons who were close to the dead man to pay tribute to him and the first person who got up was a woman who identified herself as his aunt. She said many might condemn her nephew but he was dead now and she was certain that he “made peace with God before he dead.”
‘Who are their sustainers?’
Another woman, who said she did not know Skinny but knew his brother, asked those without sin to cast the first stone. “I am not here to justify anything, Skinny did what he did,” she said, adding that they should ask themselves why their young men were taking such paths. “We need to ask who are their sustainers? And we need to understand that it is the social, moral and political systems that have them like that,” she said.
Another woman, who is a pastor in the area, recalled that Skinny grew up opposite her and she always used to tell him not to leave his home without a shirt. She told the congregation that they needed to pray for “our sons, is three from Agricola one time and we need to pray for them even if you don’t have sons.”
Skinny, Grant and Rawlins all grew up in Agricola.
As the last viewing of the body in church concluded, one young woman created a ruckus as she screamed and threw herself on the floor. And even as she screamed Skinny’s mother was observed comforting her with not a tear in her eyes.
As the tributes were being made many of the persons told the young man’s mother to stay strong for her other two sons. The woman shared out programmes for the funeral service after which she sat through the service at the front of the church dry-eyed.
And as the coffin was about to be closed, one little girl in the arms of a woman was overheard asking, “Is who kill Jermaine? Is why Jermaine deh suh?” as she pointed to his body in the coffin.
Skinny’s coffin was carried from the church by six young men and taken to the burial ground not far away, with a large crowd following.
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128 Responses to “Agricola youths urged to learn from Skinny’s mistakes”
Dr Ryan
on September 5th, 2008 7:28 amThe Chickens will one day come home
i hope this Government can pay the piper
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Cheryl
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 7:53 am:The chickens come home to roost, I hope parents pay attention.
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Badlall
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 7:58 am:Just wondering how Jermaine and Rawlins were able to access a helicopter to travel around the country committing all these crimes.
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Mohamed I. Ally
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 2:16 pm:How sarcastic, Badlall.
Just like how Rawlins was able to travel through the forest 300 miles from Christmas Falls to Kuru Kuru.
Just like how the beasts were able to travel from Lusignan to Bartica to Christmas Falls.
The network provided them with the means to move from one point to the other.
The Joint Forces now need to eliminate the members of the network who are just as guilty as these beasts that killed sleeping little children, Badlall.
malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 8:01 am:Yes indeed the chickens have already begun roosting. When will we ever learn?
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bluegrass
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 9:38 am:i hope the security force recorded the event and focus the camera on those trouble makers for future reference.
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ink09
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 10:22 am:If what you’re saying makes sense, then what about the many, many children and relatives of the people who were murdered by fineman and skinny? The kids from Lusignan, Bartica, Eccles and the many other places? What will happen if they want revenge?
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lambada
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 2:55 pm:if they need revenge the will will pay the price for breaking the LAW.
Ksing
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 3:13 pm:lesson to learn. find things to meaningfully occupy the time of our youth lest there be many more Skinny
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Ravi
In reply to the above comment on September 7th, 2008 4:21 pm:How about staying in school and get and education.
amen-ra
on September 5th, 2008 7:31 amWell a community always protect their own even good or bad and that’s the huma side of us. Now skinny is no longer with us, the community is being urged to let the youth learn from skinny demise not to follow his lead, and find alternative life style and not to turn to crime which i applaude tthe community for. Will the relevant authorities do the same. Will they stop harrasing the youth without a probable cause will they provide meaningful employment for the youths, or for them to learn some kind of skills where they can use meaningfully after completing schooling. There’s so much the govt can do to help and assist at risk youths wiht the help of the community. all need to be involved in this process so we can stare the youth in the right direction where turning to a life of crime wont be on their mind.
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Light
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 2:40 pm:amen -ra; maybe you or other members of the diaspora can help this community find ‘ alternatives’ for youths, by forming a group in the US to raise funds etc; to build a small skills training centre in the Agricola community, which can provide poor and vulnerable young people in the area with skills, loans, lands and other help, to start their own micro and medium business, particularly, agro business.
In other areas of the Guyana this is being done with the help of the government and international agencies.
Guyana is blessed with a significant amounts of land and water, and there is a significant amount of untilled land, particularly in the interior of the country. Maybe, this community should approach the government for help in obtaining land etc; as the other communities did.
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amen-ra
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 6:43 pm:good suggestion light, but that needs organization, if we can come up with that kind of organization and trustworthy people maybe that can happen.
malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 7:55 pm:Hip, hip hoorayyyyyyyyyy! You’re a guy after my own heart. Definitely. You are part of the SOLUTION and not the problem
Light
In reply to the above comment on September 6th, 2008 4:20 pm:amen-ra, malaika06; it will do no harm to try talking to other people, to help this idea to materialise.
There are thousands of Guyanese in the diaspora and it is very likely some of them share your concern and will be willing to help.
I hope someone can do this and some organisation can be established, with a website etc; networking and providing the opportunity for others to also help.
I think putting our heads and hands together in this way can bring about concrete improvements to poor, vulnerable and troubled individuals and communities.
This will difinitely allow many of us doing these comments to tangibly help.
Michelle
In reply to the above comment on September 7th, 2008 9:59 am:I live in Miami and recently registered a non-profit called “reversed reality,” after several trips to Guyana over the past two years. Here are the projects I am currently undertaking. Project # 1 ia a clothing bank, where families can get free clothing for children newborn thru 10 years. My father’s business is located on the East Bank and he is giving me the “space” in which to house this project. Seafrefight Agencies is also helping by providing free shipping for a 20′ container each year. I have been collecting used clothing from churches, friends and some schools here at my end are also helping out. Project # 2 is to estabish learning centers in identified areas, one to be in Agricola where children can learn to read and engage in eductaional interactive play instead of walikng the streets. I have been collecting tons of books and board games and just a lot of “stuff,” to help make this happen. I am also trying to start a feeding program and free afternoon lessons in the identified areas. Each Christmas we do a free Christmas party for children on the East Bank. Three years ago we started with 100 children and last year had almost 600. Amerijet gives us free shipping, my dad buys the candy and the food items and I usually buy presnets from the $1.00 store and each child gets wrapped Christmas present.
I have said all of the above to say this, at this junctiure I am looking for others to come alongside and help with financial contributions or just a willingness to get the word out. I wouldn’t get into too many more specifics now, but feel free to contact me via email if you care to and we can go from there. My email address is mabeharry@bellsouth.net. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Michelle
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Light
In reply to the above comment on September 7th, 2008 10:48 pm:Michelle; keep up the good work. I am also doing a little bit of the same.
However, at this point I am thinking more along the lines of helping poor and vulnerable youths with some sort of Skills training and micro and medium business, to help move them away from poverty,charity and government handouts.
I strongly believe in ‘ teaching the poor and needy to fish, insted of always giving them a fish ‘ ; there is so much more dignity, creativity, pride and joy that comes with this relative independence.
So, others ‘ out there ‘ who are interested in doing the same It will be good to hear from you !
Michelle
In reply to the above comment on September 9th, 2008 1:55 pm:My hat’s off to you too, and I second the process of helping people move away from poverty, charity and government handouts, it does strip them of their dignity, pride and creativity, you hit the nail on the head. But with that said, there seems to be a decline in the work ethic among Guyanese these days, and I don’t say that to be negative. About a year ago I tried trying to get some leather crafts made for export to Florida. I had a few vendors who were interested in purchasing small quantities to give the idea a try. My dad even volunteered to donate the machines to help with production, but those in the trade had no motivation and what I found interesting was their level of satisfaction with “just getting by.” I was forewarned but thought everyone was just being negative,….boy was I wrong. I like what you are trying to do, keep it up. You have my email address, if you feel that I could be of any assistance to your cause, please never hesitate to ask. Michelle
stan bishop
on September 5th, 2008 8:30 amLet us hope that “Skinny” does not become a martyr for those thinking of emulating his life. Lawlessness has a short life span and often ends on a negative note.
Nevertheless, may he rest in peace.
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Mohamed I. Ally
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 2:28 pm:He should roast and rotten hell not “Rest in Peace.” His souls must not rest.
The souls of the numerous victims must Rest In Peace.
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Pradeep A
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 2:59 pm:How can you say may he rest in peace? ” SKINNY” the monsta should burn in hell and may the victims rest in peace
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guy123
In reply to the above comment on September 6th, 2008 5:45 am:mohamed ally and pradeep,the world is a safer place because people like you are not in charge of people’s fate,God is in charge.
mz miami
on September 5th, 2008 8:35 amI WANT TO KNO WHY THE GUYANA POLICE FORCE ALWAYS HAS TO KILL OUR YOUTHS OR FAMILY IN THE KURU KURURU AREA ? AS I RECALL MY BROTHER WAS KILLED BY THE POLICE FORCE IN THE SAME AREA IN 1996. A FEW YEARS LATA THE SAME COP THAT KILLED HIM WHO’S NAME WAS FRASIER WAS KILLED IN THE SAME AREA AND I COULD GO ON AND NO ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WAS KILLED THERE.HMMMMMMMMMMM
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decanadianCarlVeecock
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 1:48 pm:Maybe we should rename the place “The Killing Fields” after the movie !
WOW ! Fraser”s name has surfaced so many times;
Someone should write a book on his exploits.
I can add a chapter of my own.
What I notice with the current group of marksmen, their names are kept
secret.
I wonder why?
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Roger Corbin
on September 5th, 2008 8:36 amThanks to the joint services for taking these men off the streets of Guyana. Hope the other have learned and keep away from criminal activities.
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lambada
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 2:59 pm:I ACTUALL THOUGHT I READ ROBERT CORBIN, IF THAT WAS SO THEN THAT WOULD BE A JOKE.
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colt45
on September 5th, 2008 9:03 amHope the words of the Pastor carries more weight than the street voice. All political and social organisations should heed his words and work positively towards uplifting the way of life of the ordinary citizens. Let the finger pointing and divisive politics stop and all come together for country. Guyana is a beautiful country and if the leaders at the top put their differences aside, it will be a better place to live.
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sagga
on September 5th, 2008 9:04 amIt is good to see some positive words come out of this negative and some what troubled young mans life indeed not only the young men in this community but young men all over Guyana should observe the consequences of living a dangerous life, with that said the police should not be operating in the manner they are it is somewhat aggressive and lacks professionalism,you cannot be harrassing people that way it will only lead to retaliation and this could pose problems.
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Beautiful
on September 5th, 2008 9:14 amI’m so sick and tired of these families and so called benefiiciaries of these dead criminals, trying to make them out to be innocent citizens. You all know that they were no good demons, yet you all are mad that the police are doing what they have to do as law enforcement agents. People you all need to wake up. Dont encourage these young men and women with their criminal activiities. You all were benefiting from these criminals that’s why you all are mad that they are gone. But, let me say this, you ALL are going to pay for it. Don’t forget, those three bastards can’t run from God. Their moments have come. LET THEM SUFFER FOREVER IN HELL. What about the innocent people that they’ve killed? What about those innocent families that are still grieving? People you all need to stop the absurd ness. It’s amazingly PATHETIC, how you all want to paint these criminals as decent citizens, who followed the path to destruction, because of the law enforcement agents. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY INTOLERABLE. Skinny’s mother did the right thing, because she knew he was a criminal. Why should she shed a tear? I dont blame her at all. She is saving her tears for her other family members who aren’t criminals. The ones who aren’t destroying society with their evil and demonic ways.
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malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 12:08 pm:Beautiful
Whoever you are, that has got to be the biggest misnomer if ever I’ve seen one.
You just don’t get it huh?
Retribution is one thing, revenge is another. The perpetuation of your attitude of intolerance and lack of forgivness will be death of us all!!!
Obviously you don’t have a biological child. If you are, you would have never made such a comment about Skinny mother’s not shedding a tear! Read carefully the other bloggers (Colt45, Sagga and Bishop) contribution and RE-READ the headline.
Perhaps you’ll see the errors of your close-minded, “eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth mentality.
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ink09
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 12:49 pm:Beautiful, that is one of the most beautiful posts I’ve ever read in this place.
This guy murdered scores of innocent people and the community is making him out to be the victim. The police never forced him to become a criminal, he chose that lifestyle. It is the lifestyle the lazy people in our society choose. Hard work, determination and ambition are something they lack, so they simply run after the easy money, even if it means killing the innocent to get it. This guy served no purpose in life and he serves no purpose in death.
The police had every right to be at that funeral and I applaud them for the job they have been doing as of late. I just hope they can keep it up. The police in Guyana do not get the respect they deserve, sometimes. Not from the government and not from the citizens. The lawmen are not paid enough and do not receive the benefits which are owed to them and their families. They do not get the recognition which they put their lives on the line for. As for the future criminals out there, it’s the government and security force’s job to crush them!
mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 1:12 pm:malaika06,
That was very rude of you to chastise Beautiful for her comment. I think her comment was beautiful indeed. She said what 99.9% of us are in agreement saying…”It’s good Fineman and Skinny DEAD”. Besides I also agree with her saying that Skinny mother had a right NOT to shed a tear for him. He does not deserve her sympathy nor anyones empathy.
Lastly, even if Beautiful does not have a biological child of her own (as you assumed), that does not make her less a woman than you in feeling for her own flesh and blood. As a woman yourself, you should never have belittled Beautiful the way you did, you may yourself encounter feminine encompetences like you so think she has.
I hope optimist pessimist give you the Einstein Award today.
OP, whe yuh deh boss?
ChocolateCCM
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 12:21 pm:Miss so-called beautiful,
What is it you are saying with your, “you all…?”
You better know your facts straight before you sit on your seat, talking about ”you all”
The time you will take to talk like the opposite of your name, you should look at TRUTH.
No one is painting anyone as DECENT, let their action speak for them. Everyone mourned for those who have been massacred. It is about time people should pick some pride and face REALITY.
You are NOT the Creator to send anyone to hell! Only you can send you to hell if you don’t stop your madness. COMMENT WITH SOME SENSE AND DROP THAT ”YOU ALL” THING!
Next time be more specific. Let us know who are these ”YOU ALL”
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mbaboy
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 12:45 pm:kudos to you brother.This is just the beginning. More of those low life bastards will meet the same fate sooner than later.
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Satish
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 6:49 pm:Beautiful by Name.
Beautiful by Nature!
And so wise too!
Many thanks for your gracious summary.
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Melainie
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 7:37 pm:There is no love like a mothers love and my heart goes out to skinny’s mother ,not because someone has not shed a tear that there are no tears,everyone feels for there own no matter what paths they take and she is not responsible for the path he took i am quite sure she did the best she could to thebest of her abilitythe comments no one is encouraging the criminals but when would the suffuring is going to end ,do not pass judgement you do not know where these men is going to end up wheter it hell or heaven only the lord would know which of the killings they did if any and decide a punishment for them worry about you and how you are going to move on from this into better and what you could contribute to make it better.
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Supamann
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 9:51 pm:If you want to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for the CHILDREN they slaughter. Remember the CHILD that they killed who was latched on to his dead mother’s leg? That’s an image the will be burned into my mind forever. They must never be forgiven for what they did never!
diehardguyanese
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 8:16 pm:Beautiful I totally agree with you. All those who were harboring those animals are criminals themselves. If that was my child I would not even have been seen at his funeral. What about those poor innocent children that he murdered in cold blood. The one thing I am sorry about is that he died quickly.
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Melainie
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 10:38 pm:Wait until you get to that bridge then decide if you are going to cross it ,only the cook that is in the kitchen feel the heat.
DMACK
on September 5th, 2008 9:27 amThe day will come, when the PPP and the PNC-R will have to answer, why have you failed the children of Guyana ?
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mbaboy
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 12:46 pm:the parents failed these bastards, no party
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diehardguyanese
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 8:23 pm:Good for you. The parents allow their children to run buck wild and when they become the misfits they are the parents cast the blame on the government. Are they they only children living in Guyana? I only migrated to the USA a few years ago and raised my teenage son and daughter without their father around, in a drug infested neighbourhood and they both turned out exceptionally well.. Never had a brush with the law.
mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 1:16 pm:The PNC already pressured to answer, but too damn shame to tell. The adults of today will inform them though.
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lambada
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 3:06 pm:You have the right name MACK you cannot be for REAL, TELL ME HOW ON EARTH ppp IS RESPONSIBLE
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shyboilex
on September 5th, 2008 9:46 amWhat does that mean Dr Ryan
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mackydog
on September 5th, 2008 9:49 amStabroek News is so biased. Why all that one sided information? I would want to believe Stabroek News is trying to stir up mischief amoung the population with all those unnecessary quotes by the mourners and also to sensualise the event.
What are the parents of this child teaching him about crime, as much as the theme of the funeral was about “Learning from Skinny’s mistakes” ? And this is only one. It seems as though no matter how the govt. try to educate people to educate their children about the end results of crime, it’s a waste of time.
Some of our people will never learn even if you have to open their heads and stick the results into their brains…looking at a dead bullet riddled murderer in a coffin box and saying “Skinny is my soldier”. A damn shame on the parent(s).
And a damn shame on Stabroek News too for their insensitive and mischievous reporting. I expected better from you.(I won’t be surprised if you axed this, its ok).
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malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 12:13 pm:I have appointed myself the GRAMMAR Police!!, whether Mackydog or whoever else likes it or not since he’ (woof! woof!) is always poking fun at others spelling among other things.
Mackydog, the word is “SENSATIONALISE” not sensualise. Where on earth did you coin that one from?????????
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mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 1:26 pm:thanks malaika06 for the correction. Sometimes in haste and obvious anger a mistake is made. Maybe I had sex on my mind (as in sensual and being Dougla). Nevertheless, I did know the word and how it’s spelt.
The times when I poke and have fun at others spelling is when it gets over bearing bad and uncomprehendable. I only had one wrong. My apologies to you and thanks again.
decanadianCarlVeecock
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 1:52 pm:We call that “poetic licence”
De man can write and as a writer he has some freedom.
bishnu R
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 4:33 pm:the english language is not complete. american and british has a lot of difference.
check gumbee
chillacksing.ect. ect.
ChocolateCCM
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 12:38 pm:You sound like the typical mackydog.
Just one thing, pray that you never have any encounter with the GPF.
If you get fortunate enough and it happens, let me know the many people you murdered, raped, robbed, and assaulted.
Please do not even try defending yourself from these charges… Allow them to pack twenty-five bullets in your abdomen or somewhere in your back; then have someone talking like you on the opposite side of the infernal.
Perhaps then you will see through the microscope of this Godforsaken government and its regime.
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MERV JOSEPH
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 3:32 pm:Macky your last sentence saved the day for you. Stabroek tried to prove you wrong.
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MERV JOSEPH
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 3:36 pm:NEEDLESS TO SAY I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY
malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 8:06 pm:Mackydog!!!
The word is “INCOMPREHENSIBLE”, banna, by the time I done wid you my UG Language mistress from ENG 101 (or was it 100? I can’t remember) - Ms Pat Persaud will be so proud of me!!! LOL!!!
main man
In reply to the above comment on September 6th, 2008 9:52 am:That so truth abouth SN I find most of my comments are not being posted but as it seem some of these comments are not being moderated.
They have your IP address so as you posted it is automatically deleted.
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james
on September 5th, 2008 9:57 amThe eniter article women are called upon to lead their sons. What about the men? Young men need fathers and father figures to role model. No young man will role modle a woman.
We have to teach them to take responsibility for their actions, and stop believing that other people cause them to do what they do. All you can hear is the government causing this, well Agricola and Boxton are not the only villages in guyana that have it hard. What about Den Amstel and Stanleytown or wales? how come people there are not choosing a life of crime? don’t they have it hard too?
stop telling them about their circumstance teach tthem to make the right choices regardless of their circumstances.
You see in the article who the young lad is idolizing?
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lambada
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 3:05 pm:ACCORDING TO MALAIKA IT IS “ROLE MODEL.”
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mackydog
on September 5th, 2008 10:01 amThe government should’ve disposed of the body on their own without giving it to the family for burial.
Now we definitely, beyond a doubt have the smaller future Skinnies and Fineman to deal with. What did the lil child say…”Skinny is my soldier” and breaking out of jail “like a hero”?
If there was no funeral, there wouldn’t have been any idols or “hero”. The next thing we will hear at Fineman’s funeral is “Fineman is our Freedom Fighter Leader hero”.
I say the govt. should learn from this mistake and take over Fineman Rawlins’ body and dispose of it to avoid any idolising of him.
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malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 12:16 pm:Stop trying to stir-up the malcontents!!!!!!!
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mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 1:39 pm:malaika06,
I’m trying to stop the malcontents of the upcoming generation who has already begun to see these murdering monsters as “heroes” and idols to emulate later in life. We have to stop the “chickens from coming home to roost” from now.
These dead criminals should not be seen in the future as “has beens” but should not be even be seen/remembered.
People who are idolised and worthy of being remembered as heroes/heroin are people who did possitive things and/or near impossible feats for their country, people or humanity. Fineman, his gang, his leaders nor Skinny are neither “heroes” or anything to be idolised…or even remembered. I bet his own mother doesn’t even want to remember she made him, for the shame he brought to that woman. She didn’t even shed a tear for him.
lambada
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 3:09 pm:AGREE WITH MACKY MALAIKA.
ah806
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 3:14 pm:I agree with mackydog. The biggest malcontent is SN. This is not news, why are you (SN) giving coverage to these criminals funerals?
Natasha Boston
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 1:38 pm:Mackydog maybe that’s how they do it in the U.S and Guantanamo but in democratic societies the bodies are released to families- regardless of the crimes that were committed.
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aliied
In reply to the above comment on September 6th, 2008 10:00 am:what make you think so?
U in Barbadoes suffering and treated like dogs there why u don’t fix that.
lambada
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 3:08 pm:i am in agreement with you,KUDOS.
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malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 8:37 pm:Mackydog
With all due respect, you are entitled to your opinion. However, the only way people can move forward and continue to make better with their lives is when they forgive and MOVE ON. Mind you, I did not say FORGET!
For the sake of repeating what some other bloggers have stated, and pontificated elsewhere, I don’t believe that any fair-minded and sensible-thinking person, whether in Guyana or in diaspora, are condoning or lending sympathy to the pyschopaths that have terrorised Guyana for years.
Yes, we’ve all breathed a sigh of relief with their deaths, however, the greatest challenge now is to ensure that the conditions and attitudes do not continue to breed a new set of Fineman and Skinny.
And part of that is by not subscribing to the iron-fisted and mean-spirited ways of dealing with some of our deep-rooted societal ills. It would only exacerbate the problem.
Our police managers have got to understand that they can only be effective in crime-solving when they get the community on their side. They have to CEASE with their brute force and ignorance methods.
I’m positive that there are many decent men and women in our services. Educated people who KNOW better and should DO better, but are they? Many of them travel abroad to conferences; they interact with other professionals for better skills development and enlightenment. Do they impart this knowledge when they return? C’mon!
On the other hand, a professional police force is just part of the larger picture. Government have to do their part as well civil society (home, school, church/mosque/temple, ngos) and of course people like you and me who want to see Guyana rise up from the ashes.
We all have to be seen as being part of the SOLUTION and not the problem.
Enough said before I bore y’all to tears
SOESDYKE
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 6:27 pm:If the government do what you ask. That will them SUPER HEROES.
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albouystown gyal
on September 5th, 2008 10:02 amThx god he’s dead…
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nuaveb
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 12:02 pm:Yes they are dead! But I am not sure that is something to thank God about! The root of the problem still exists in Guyana. More young men are turning to crime. Instead of dealing with the fruits we (the Guyanese) need to deal with the root of the problem. Ask ourselves hard questions like why are our youths turning to crime? And how can we stop them before they enter these criminal enterprises.
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bluegrass
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 7:27 pm:the root of the problem, is lazy- ness, and easy moneyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
DRUGB
on September 5th, 2008 10:26 amIf the youth have no hope then this vicious cycle of young men turning to crime will not be resolved. Burnham at least had the good sense to recognize that young people needed direction, that was the function of the National Service. These youths today after finishing schooling have no viable employment opportunities, inevitably they will turn to crime.
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MERV JOSEPH
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 3:59 pm:I AGREE; BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE. BUT NO EXCUSES FOR THEM TO TURN TO A LIFE OF CRIME.
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kabaka
on September 5th, 2008 10:37 amWe are the only specie blessed with reasoning faculties.WE must make choices in life regardless of obstacles and hurdles we confront.Blame no one
for the adversities that we encounter.We were born with our souls code of lessons to be learnt and trials to overcome.We can influence the outcome of our lives by conscious and deliberate decisions that are favourable to us and those around us.We are free to choose the straigth and narrow or that which leads to our demise.Seek and you shall find.Knock and it shall be opened.Stay close and he will always be near.
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mookie
In reply to the above comment on September 6th, 2008 10:06 am:Bless that comment
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Arnold
on September 5th, 2008 10:47 amWe’ve all seen this,,,,,,,,,,,,,far more heart wrenching !! because the victims were brutally murdered for no cause………
So many under 15 with all a future ahead were robbed, Never more to see
DAWN or TWILIGHT .
IT’S GOOD TO LET THE YOUTHS KNOW NOT TO FOLLOW THE FOOTSTEPS OF THOSE things WHO LOVES TO GET RICH QUICK………..
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kabaka
on September 5th, 2008 10:49 amWhat would be interesting would be when all those souls that have been released meet in the great halls of justice to review their accomplishments on the physical plane of life.I often wonder what a meeting of that sort would be like!
Would the souls of perpeterators and victims interact qnd have dialogue????
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amen-ra
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 12:52 pm:stop dreaming kabaka
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mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 1:43 pm:You can go and find out, all yuh have to do is die. De first kabaka dead already, we ain’t miss he, so go find out if yuh want. Yuh might even see he chairing the meeting. Good luck.
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kabaka
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 10:47 pm:Just food for thought.No need to lose any body function.
Arnold
on September 5th, 2008 10:56 amDr Ryan,
What kind of chicken? frozen?
Government can pay the piper, what?? the —–piper cherokee beachcraft?
PLEASE BE EXPLICT !
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malcomx
on September 5th, 2008 11:30 ammay his soul rest in peace
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mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 1:51 pm:I wonder if tiger gon say anything today. Let me guess…may his soul rest in peace
decanadianCarlVeecock, do you have any bets that tiger would say the same thing today like malcolmx bro?
Well, now everybody know that the bloggers tiger and malcolmx are one and the same person…FRAUD.
So one would make a comment and the other (same person) would write back and big - up the comment when its the same person doing both. I hope SN put a stop to this ASAP.
Mr Moderator, you need to investigate this fraud and illiminate one of them. Can we get a feed back please on your findings and errorts?
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DON'T GET IT
In reply to the above comment on September 7th, 2008 3:05 pm:mackydog, you are the best.
Stop trying to impress with all those wrong ‘big words’ and try using right ’small words’ for a change.
The word is ELIMINATE and not illiminate. Duh!!!
Oh malaika, where are you?
lambada
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 3:11 pm:THEY NEVER HAD A SOUL MALCOM, WHAT YOU TALKING.
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sweetlips
on September 5th, 2008 11:52 amTo everyone out there,we all have our opinions but i recall a quote that say “the way you life is so shall u die “or “you life buy the gun you will die by the guns”.People might say all sort of things about the decease ,now that he is dead. But to all parents out there please and i say please “train up your child in the way he shall go and when he is old he will never part from it”.We all parenta need to go back to the basics of life that is the WORD OF GOD THE BIBLE.Teach the word of GOD to our young people in todays society and u will see a great difference in them.
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Natasha Boston
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 1:48 pm:‘live’
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RALS
on September 5th, 2008 11:58 amHow is it that baby killers are considered as “heroes”?. And you were wondering where these criminals got their protection from. The beneficiaries must be bawling.
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Melainie
on September 5th, 2008 12:09 pmWe need to stop all this stupid talking and blaming and begin the healing process for the the whole of guyana ,because as a guyanese we were all victims ,and all this thrash talking and retaliation by everyone is just going to make matter worst , how would our youths learn when they have to be seeing and reading stuff like this,lets start saying and doing positive things so we would get positive results from now onwards.
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amen-ra
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 12:55 pm:i agree with you maam.
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mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 1:54 pm:Melainie,
There is nothing “stupid” nor “blaming” about this issue. WE all wanted something done to stop these murderers from continuing their rampage, don’t you remember? What’s stupid about that?
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Melainie
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 7:19 pm:Mackydog ,
How about some positive suggestion as I said ,instead of attacking what i say you come up with something POSITIVE . “how would our youths learn when they have to be seeing and reading stuff like this,lets start saying and doing positive things so we would get positive results from now onward”.WE ARE SUPPOSE TO BE THE GOOD PEOPLE REMEMBER.
guyanese69
on September 5th, 2008 12:27 pmthis whole father figure role excuse has outlived it’s usefulness, it’s beating a dead horse.
There are many children I know including myself that grew up without fathers or a father figure in their lives and are stellar individuals, in most cases the ones with fathers are worse off.
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paw2180
on September 5th, 2008 12:29 pmBEAUTIFUL I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY. THEY DESERVE WHAT THEY GET AND PEOPLE NEED TO STOP BLAMING THE POLICE FOR THESE GUYS TURNING TO A LIFE OF CRIME. THAT SHOULD ACTUALLY MAKE THEM NOT WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE SO THE POLICE WON’T HAVE A REASON TO STOP THEM.
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otorious
on September 5th, 2008 1:10 pmIn the event of my Demise
when my heart can beat no more
I Hope I Die For A Principle
or A Belief that I had Lived 4
I will die Before My Time
Because I feel the shadow’s Depth
so much I wanted 2 accomplish
before I reached my Death
I have come 2 grips with the possibility
and wiped the last tear from My eyes
I Loved All who were Positive
In the event of my Demise
Written by Tupac Shakur (1971-1996)
I dont kno this brother, but I do know the struggels and understand the pain of my YOUNG BLACK BOTHERS, n you in my deepest taught..
“THE GOOD DIE YOUNG”
REST IN PEACE JERMAINE “SKINNY” CHARLES
WE LOVE U
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Ravi
In reply to the above comment on September 8th, 2008 3:20 pm:We all have struggles and pain but how we deal it tells a lot of who we are….
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PAY UR DEEDS
on September 5th, 2008 1:13 pmWELL i AM NOT SUPRISE AT THE CROWD BEHAVIOUR AND SOME COMMENTS MADE BY THE SPEAKERS,ESPECIALLY BY THE WOMEN WHO BLAME THE GOVERNMENT.ITS VERY EASY TO BLAME THE G/MENT AND OTRHERS FOR THEIR SITUTATIONS.i HAVE NO SYMPATH FOR CRIMINALS AS EVERY ONE HAS CHOICES AND THOSE WHO CHOOSE THE WICKED PATH MUST PAY FOR THEIR SINS.
I ADORE THE COURAGE OF SKINNG MOM’S SHE LOST HER SON,BUT REALISED HIS WRONG DOING AND ACCEPT THE OUTCOME OF HIS LIFE.
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babble beloooooo
on September 5th, 2008 1:47 pmi feeling like going to guyana again, for vacation this mean i can sleep alittle heavy now without wondering if my family and i will be killed
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bx_man
on September 5th, 2008 2:01 pmI cannot understand how people can honor/pity that criminal.
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j. brown
on September 5th, 2008 2:38 pmSome of them in high officees are more criminal minded than those in prison.
aspecially Dr. stink beard
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Mohamed I. Ally
on September 5th, 2008 2:39 pmWhat is this nonsense about police being responsible for these youth turning to crime?
The get-rich-quick syndrome is the reason for these criminals.
Added to that is the fact that many in the diaspora has been encouraging these types of individuals not to stand on their own two feet by sending barrels and monies for them. This is the dependency syndrome.
So that when those in the diaspora start “catching hell” - like now- and can only manage to pay their bills with nothing to send to the lazy, dependent/ beneficiaries in Guyana thereby cutting the lifeline, then those in Guyana must be able to maintain their lifestyles which (which include using marijuana and cocaine) was supported by the diaspora.
So to support and maintain that lifestyle, they need to get money at all cost. That is why they plunder and kill.
Stop sending them barrels and monies. Let them become independent. Only the lazy ones can’t make it in Guyana. Can lazy people make it anywhere?
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malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 9:41 pm:Ally
You know you might be right in a way. I know many of us catching hell over here and have grown so accustomed of throwing a life line to our relatives back home that it has now become the norm
I haven’t been home in a while but I’m hearing folks saying that they are amazed at the way our people back home eat, live and dress.
You would think that they are doing two and three jobs like us; Braving the snow and sun and catching we breath to get on the train on time.
One missed connection from bus or train and that’s it. And the bills, oooh the bills.
I wouldn’t be surprised that if given the opportunity, half of them would either go on welfare or return to Guyana.
Ok, ok, I waiting for the haters to rip at me. You have my permission. Go ahead
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pinkpanther
In reply to the above comment on September 6th, 2008 10:43 am:At least for once you ur are really honest on your blog keep it up SISTA
LUV U
Buxton Spice
In reply to the above comment on September 6th, 2008 1:05 am:Who feels it….knows it! I sincerely hope and pray that those affected will begin the healing process now. However, Skinny, Fineman and others are/were low on the totem pole. What of the crooked ‘higher-ups’
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pokie
In reply to the above comment on September 6th, 2008 10:49 am:Most of them sending barrel and money live off welfare and struggles for a life line.But the Guyanese always make a phone call for a 100 dalla, even when you chat with some of the gals on the internet and the don’t know where you from they want a raise, a party comming up she want a new out fit.
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UltimateW
on September 5th, 2008 3:26 pmOk , so the government got blamed for turning young people into criminals, the police , growing without a father figure , Mothers should turn their children to God.
Are we talking about mentally challenge young people here ?
These youngsters knew what they were doing were wrong .
Who don’t understand Good from Bad ?
That’s the life they want, then pay the consequences.
Feel sad for them or their families or not ,does not compensate for the men , women and innocent children they’ve wasted.
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Carl S
on September 5th, 2008 4:01 pmI find these comments amazing. What ever turned “Fineman & Skinny” to a life of crime is only part of the problem. Guyanese are devided on the moral issues and will be chewing out each other by race and political affiliation.
These young men were evil in their hearts and had to be stopped. Howerer; the Police need to embrace the community and let the people (young & old) know that they’re in the community as partners looking out for the community.
Obviously there is a need for training and sensitivity by our officers,at the same time the community has got to respect the police and help them do a good job and not criticize them when killers are running roughshod on our streets.
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zainno
on September 5th, 2008 4:34 pmAnd as the coffin was about to be closed, one little girl in the arms of a woman was overheard asking, “Is who kill Jermaine? Is why Jermaine deh suh?” as she pointed to his body in the coffin.
The parents of this little should be people of interest to the police. From the sound of this statement, it is obvious that skinny was close to this child. THis means that the parents had knoledge of his whereabouts and was probably aiding and abetting him in his waysm and the were with-holding information about him from the police after his escape.
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COOLIEBULLY
on September 5th, 2008 4:35 pmREGARDING THE WHOLE ISSUE ABOUT FINEMAN AND SKINNY, I, ALONG WITH MANY OTHER OVERSEAS BASED GUYANESE, AM HAPPY THAT THE POLICE HAS FINALLY KILLED HIM. I AM FROM BARTICA AND WHEN I SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO MY FELLOW BARTICIANS, I FELT AS THOUGH THE BARTICA PEOPLE MUST FORM AN ACTIVE AND HEAVILY ARMED VIGILANTE GROUP TO DEFEND OUR PEOPLE. THANK GOD THAT THE HEAD OF THE GANG IS NO LONGER AROUND. THE POLICE MUST NOW BE ON THE ALERT FOR THEIR ACCOMPLICES.
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malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 9:12 pm:I wonder why you style yourself “Cooliebully”? Well, needless I wonder since your statement “….active and heavily armed vigilante…” says a lot!!!
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george forde
on September 5th, 2008 5:05 pmi have been paying close att. to comments on this page, and i think it is time that i must say something about the problems in my adopted country guy.those youths .were a product of the goverment by fraud , meaning one fobes burham.
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jacqueline fraser
on September 5th, 2008 5:48 pmshame on you policemen what the point guarding skinny body go protect the people who is so afraid to walk the street, like when i was back in GUYANA,you make skinny look like he is some one who die fghting for his country .shame on you MR GREEN.
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Sweet lips STK
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 9:17 pm:shame on you jacqueline fraser, Mr Greene and the Police Force are doing a great job.
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Joan Archer
on September 5th, 2008 6:59 pmReply to george forde are you sleeping what was the age of skinny when Burham died.
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SOESDYKE
on September 5th, 2008 7:01 pmToday is a sad day for the family,because now he is gone. They are the ones who has to live with the stigma of his bloody legacy,no fault of there own. And because you saw no tears that don’t mean his mother did not cry. So let them bury there DEAD in peace. And the MAKER WILL DEAL WITH HIS CASE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
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gtfish2
on September 5th, 2008 8:06 pmHow come that ever time the Police , soldior or Joint service arrest or Kill some wanted criminal that has rob and pillage so much there’s never a mention of any money or valuables recover at the scene or on the decease at camp or shack they only recover guns, amo and medical supplies
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bourdaman
on September 5th, 2008 8:07 pmI’ve been led to understand that only members of a church could have a funeral in the confines of the church building. People who didn’t have church membership could have a pastor or priest officicate at their funeral at a funeral parlor. My question is, was ‘Skinny’ a member of that church? If so what do they preach/teach there?
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tiger
on September 5th, 2008 8:29 pminreply tomackydog,now look who is talkinkabout belittleing, u mackydog has called other people names and said how stupid they are too,my man,so dont start.
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Morenike
on September 5th, 2008 9:03 pmMy mother always say to me when i disobey her.
leave them alone and they will come home with they tails behind them. Cheer up my sister u make him not his mind
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dogie
on September 5th, 2008 9:57 pmkill or b killed is the game
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roar
on September 6th, 2008 1:19 amit always make me wonder y ppl does ga fu gee criminal i mean bloody criminal all that sympathy fa look how much die by the hands of dem i would have throw dem a back side a buckstan i sorry i ain’t join de police force or else dem would a know how hard working money does come.sn if na post me comment me go stop watch u.
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Fulleyes
on September 6th, 2008 2:34 amAre we forgetting, none of these people were found guilty of anything.
They are all allegations.
Skinny’s mother shed enoug tears while he was on the run. Not because she did not show any emotions means that she had no feelings but in her quiet time I am sure she will break down. These guys were never allowed a chance to be brought to justice, they were hunted because they had too much info.
BTW “Fi