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Cops in crackdown on ‘Skinny’ support network

Now that the joint services have been able to eliminate wanted men Rondell ‘Fineman’ Rawlins and Jermaine ‘Skinny’ Charles, investigators are beginning to crack the back of what was a well-organized network that supported and aided, particularly Charles, following his escape from the Sparendaam lock-ups.

A police source told Stabroek News that the lawmen were in pursuit of many persons who lent all types of support to the men and were investigating others who could soon face the courts. The source said that once evidence pointed to the fact that those individuals assisted the escapee in any way, they would be charged.
Following months of pursuit, the joint services last week shot and killed Guyana’s most wanted Rawlins, for whom a $50 million reward had been issued for information leading to his arrest, along with multiple murder accused and prison escapee Charles. So far two persons have been charged with harbouring Charles, William Younge, his uncle and a female family friend, Louton Simon.

Meanwhile, this newspaper was reliably informed that up to press time last night, Charles’s aunt was in police custody assisting with investigations and being questioned along the lines of possibly harbouring the man. This newspaper was told that the woman, who was at the Georgetown Public Hospital mortuary where the men’s bodies were taken for post-mortem examinations on Monday, was arrested by the police shortly after.

The woman was held overnight and up to late yesterday had not been released. This newspaper was reliably informed too that a sister of Seon Grant, the man who was killed outside his Timehri shack where the wanted men had been staying for some time, was also taken in for questioning following the post-mortem examinations on Monday. She was reportedly questioned and released late yesterday.

Meanwhile, another relative of Charles told this newspaper that other relatives were afraid that they too would be rounded up and charged. The woman, who did not want her name mentioned, insisted that the uncle who has been charged with harbouring Charles, was innocent.

“William used to always say that he nephew ain’t gon make him get his death. But look what happen now. I mean he already dead and now its only more stress for the family. They done kill he. Why they want to lock us up?” the concerned relative said.

The relative was particularly concerned about aunt currently in custody. She said the woman was a security guard and a mother of four and being kept by the police for such a long time meant she could not prepare her children for school.

The relative said that she and others were staying far from any police station since they too feared being pulled in for questioning.
This newspaper was reliably informed that Charles was seen frequently in the Agricola community and was also seen with former friends. The police are said to be looking for several persons and a man who reportedly chauffeured the now dead fugitive around.

Early Thursday morning, acting on a tip-off, teams from the Joint Services Operation Group and the Guyana Defence Force Special Force along with members of the Special Forces proceeded to an area in Timehri about 500 metres east of the GDF ammunition dump. There, the lawmen said, they came under fire from shooters in an identifiable house. They returned fire and saw three men running from the house. When they descended on the scene they found the body of a man who was rushed to the Georgetown Public Hospital, where he was pronounced dead on arrival. The man was identified as Grant.

The two men who had fled ended up in Kuru Kururu at a place villagers call Kakabura at a small, unfinished concrete structure. There was an exchange of gunfire around 12.45 pm in which two men, later identified as Rawlins and Charles were killed.

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154 Responses to “Cops in crackdown on ‘Skinny’ support network”

amen-ra
on September 3rd, 2008 5:50 am

more worries and problem for the relatives and friend. Hope the police do it in a professional manner and not harrass innocent people.

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hitman4hire
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:34 pm:
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY THEY WERE IN THEIR UNDERWEAR?????????

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objective
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 3:17 pm:
SIMPLE………………….To display skinny’s bullet riddled corpse.

StoneP
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 4:50 pm:
This ensures that if the police try to grab you…they got nothing to hold onto….
otimistic pessimist
on September 3rd, 2008 6:17 am

Time and time again we have seen the GPF drop the ball when they should have been able to make inroads into criminal networks by virtue of the information that they were able to seize. One hopes, (even though one fears the worse) that this time will be different. I have seen bloggers give what should have been valuable advice on the way to keep up the momentum after a morale boosting victory. However based on the fact that follow-up arrests and convictions never came after the first big arrest, one assumes that either the advice were never heeded or they were incompetently administered.

One hopes that there will be a systematic, purposeful and deliberate dismantling of this network of violent fiends. What time better than now, with the GPF gorged full of accolades and morale high along with a corresponding significant blow to the morale of the gang members, for the GPF to seize the day!

As the Latin poet Horace puts it, “Carpe Diem” GPF! Let us see purposeful and professional police work. Here is an opportunity to dazzle us with well thought out strategy and brilliant deduction. Here is another opportunity to gain the admiration of a potentially grateful public for a job well done. Carpe Diem GPF!

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malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:09 pm:
You living in dream land

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optimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:45 pm:
Sadly I believe you.
eloise
on September 3rd, 2008 6:30 am

no

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RS
on September 3rd, 2008 6:45 am

Well all the naysayers will be out sympathizing with these nefarious fugitives family. As I mention in an earlier post when the story of Guyana’s most wanted man was killed, the PNC and SN will jump into the aid one way or the other to these thugs and not their family. They will spin the story in all manners to make the GPF and GOG look as if they are committing the atrocity in detaining and questioning and investigating how these fugitives were able to escape the clutches of the laws on numerous occasions.

People just bear in mind just as you sympathize for the families of these fugitives also too remember the carnage that was meet to the victims of those killed wounded and emotionally scarred by Rawlins and his gang. Stop politicizing the issue and use rational thinking.

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otimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:17 pm:
The GPF are subject to the law in a similar manner as we are. They are keepers of the law and that responsibility does not give then leave to bend it and break it as they see fit. They must be called to task and made to toe the line like the rest of us. We do want to see them do their duty and bring down the crime rate of Guyana but we do not want to sell our souls to achieve this goal.

Rue the day that you or your family become of interest to the GPF. You will want them to play by the rules too when that happens. You won’t care how horrific a crime they are investigating, you will expect/want them to be professional and relate to you within the confines of the law.

That is all we are asking. You can never tell when your day will come! You may want to hop off that lofty ledge of yours and apply a principled look at the machinations of the GPF. Don’t forget, even if you are a US citizen they could still find cause to deport you back to Guyana and you are going to have to live with Guyana Finest. Wouldn’t you want them on their best behavior?

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evadne
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 8:01 pm:
Well said O.P I so agree with you. It’s not about giving sympathy to the family of the criminals, but going about the business of protecting the citizens of Guyana in a lawful manner, otherwise there will be anarchy. The people won’t have any faith in the system and will take matters into their own hands, then where will this lead us? there needs to be civility, as painful as it may be.
eloise
on September 3rd, 2008 6:59 am

set that woman free, she is inocent, she has 4 children
to send to school and to feed.
who is going to feed her children and send them to school
she has it difficult enough.
mr president that is your job to see that thoese children
well taken care of, or you have a lot of problem on your
hand. a person is inocent un till proven giltiey. now these
children is suffering.
again is the pore people children. let them serch some where else
for the real criminol,s , in high possion.
answer to this

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mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 10:15 am:
eloise,
Use a dictionary next time please. Wha yuh writin ain’t even croelese.
And yuh message in yuh writin doh mek no sense. De ‘oman gon stay in de lock up till she can be charged and den she gon stay longa.

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lambada
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 11:11 am:
good thinking macky, enlighten some of them.

John Smith
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 11:41 am:
How Macky, you are tough on the guy. (Smile) Like you turn spelling sheriff or dictionary detective. (Wider smile)

otimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:18 pm:
wat you seh deh mighten be right but it sure funny.

hitman4hire
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:26 pm:
LOL LOL yes well said LOL LOL she probably never saw a dictionary before.

mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:41 pm:
john smith
no sir, I just have a good command of the English language…and meh own guyanese dialect.

Slicker
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 5:26 pm:
Daam even a pocket dictionary is needed there …. most my comments always get modified here wonder how that one passed ? , but mines different , it wasn’t about dictation , it was only that some are true S/N … so better i kicks out then .. that’s why i like this Doggie here , keep it up Mack’s

supererro
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 6:23 pm:
And I may want to speculate, that you have friends at SN too! Every time I chose to rebut you, my post is thrown out.

BILLYC
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 10:56 am:
eloise, you can see how i spell your name in small letters.THE MOTHER SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH CHILD ENDANGERMENT FOR HAVING CRIMINALS AROUND HER CHILDREN. a person must think before they act and say stupid things like what you said.When the law is broken all offenders must be brought to justice.Did you think about the innocent people that lost their lives because of these thugs.

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withavoice
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 4:31 pm:
You know what kills me with these comments…people read the papers not knowing the correct facts and make comments like these……don’t get me wrong what you do in this life you must pay for….they did a LOT of bad things you live by the gun so you must die by the gun……….but as for Skinny’s aunt all she did was allow her sister (his mother) to use her c/p and that is why she’s there, her number was on his c/p recent call list.. he wasn’t staying with her (know for a fact)…….How can I harbor someone if they’re not around me or If I’m not giving aid to them……………….How many times did you let a friend use your c/p to make a call?………what if the cops come after you???????

boston quadro pro
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:47 pm:
u can go back to school with the kidssince u need to learn to spell and punctuate your sentences properly.

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bgsbny
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 2:07 pm:
……ah tink y’all need to let Eloise shine lil bit ,, she mussee bin to school durin burnham time when edimification nah bin deh pan tap ,, dem time dah was de paramonut party bin pan tap ah everyting,, an everybadi…..

suh y’all juss leff she alone ! an ah de put out dis wanin’ areadi,, but SN,, damn ! jack ,, SN ,, yuh cudah leff it leh we get lil laff story,, durn ,, de parasites dem ded like nits ,, suh we can breathe lil easy ,, not encouraging n e badi ti drop dem guard ! is time fuh lil fun ,, c’mon be a trooper ! an live like we safe !

of course we know she en right when she talking bout loose de woman ,, i have to say this now ,, all,, and i mean from de President right down to every person in GY,, 16 and over ,,, must be held responsible for their actions ! she knew it was wrong ,, what she did ,, so the consequences follow ,, when she was thick with the thieves ,, did she not know she had a baby to suckle ! ???????????????

CURIOUS GEORGE
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 2:24 pm:
Guys, give eloise a pass on the language barrier because of the flag she is flying , on critical thinking eloise please seek help.

supererro
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 6:33 pm:
It would appear that bgbny has a grudge with the real visionaries of this world e.g. Burnham and Obama!

Burnham made his mark in his time, and Obama will be America’s 44th President. Like it or not!

ChocolateCCM
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 7:40 pm:
ELOISE WELL SAID.

Macky, you want two slaps. I won’t hesitate to hand them to your rough cheeks.

This is a comment board, not an ENGLISH CLASS.

Try using a dictionary for your own notorious analytical skill. Her comment may have a few spelling errors etc., but it surely makes better sense than yours.

At least she is thinking about the welfare of these four children.

Your want some whopping paddling won’t do you. Get off the woman’s case and make your own!

And to the rest of you that are laughing, you all better check yourselves before you reck it.

DON’T MOCK OTHERS. It’s a blog, a comment hall, not Hale University.

I agree with you Eloise.

Some people don’t have heart, but wait till the hammer falls.

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evadne
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 8:07 pm:
Ahhh! why you guys picking on Eloise, that’s not nice I agree that the spelling is a bit jacked up, but maybe Eloise is not english speaking, and it does not help that you through in the dialect an mix am up al de time LOL. Be gentle

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Roger
on September 3rd, 2008 7:11 am

Guess some will never get it. The warning was there all along from the police. Who harbor these criminals will be caught and be delt with. So, why is this lady saying things like “I mean he already dead and now its only more stress for the family”. The family should have known better when they were with-holding information from the law men; and I am talking even before skinny was arrested. So, they will have to face the law now.

Grate work JS.

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Badlall
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 9:58 am:
Skinny and Fineman were blamed for every crime in Guyana, these guys had no formal education,…….how were they able to handle logistics / tactical approach to crime from shacks in the bush…………….This is now crime fighting all files will be closed how convenient. Now who is going to protect the citizens of Guyana when they are stopped by the police with their “LEF” something or else….it goes on every day …at nights it is worse.

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boston quadro pro
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:52 pm:
maybe they are born criminal & born with killers instinct… lol.. i get your point that u want to make. Animals born with instincts, they cant talk but these are animals in human forms so they dont have to be a rocket scientist to do what they did. Like i said, ’street smart’ people are wiser to an extent than those is offices. get what i mean… that’s y they could have eluded the so called GPF…

objective
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 3:32 pm:
The fact that they had no formal education makes them and the other gang members some of the dumbest criminals ever.
They were running from the law, which prevented them from being able to live in decent homes, have positive social life styles,and eat, drink, and wear the best.
They committed various robberies, while others reaped the benefits.
That is worse than a Prostitute and her Pimp.
Each and everyone of their accomplices ought to be penalised.

Natty
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 10:23 am:
There is a supposition here that this relative knew where this Skinny was and was in a position to give information. I think the point here is, once you are related to someone who is a criminal it is supposed that you know about the person’s activities. I have numerous cousins. If one is a criminal does that give the police the right to detain me? I’m sure you yourself are not aware of the activities of your other relatives. Just arresting someone because he/she is a relative of a wanted person seems a bit strong-armed to me. I’m just being objective.

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Hugo
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 11:34 am:
The Western approach is obviously different from our third world country’s. This is so because of our socio-economic structure & our culture. It is either out of fear or love that one would shelter & feed their criminal relative. The Guyanese police approach is designed (& still in progress) to deal with matters accordingly. American policing is effecive, English police don’t carry guns Russian police is brute & Guyanese police…?
You, in America, would not want to worry about being arrested if your relative is a criminal, unless he has your number & phone records show you have been in contact with him, if you feed him & if you give him a room to stay. According to yesterday’s news the police found the woman number in a cell phone which Skinny used. Perhaps they also checked the call records from GTT as well? These guys have been on the run for a long time, obviously they were not being helped by strangers neither were they totally on their own. So, then, where must the Police start in their attempt to crack down on those criminal assistants?Certainly not you & I. Sure, she has five kids but this does not grant her immunity from the law. And our people must remember, it is important to separate our emotions from our desire to see justice prevail.

Sean
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 1:24 pm:
Natty did you read the whole article? Her number was found in his phone, the JS had to know from phone records that she was in contact with him knowing that he was wanted. Let’s keep it real.

Sean
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:54 pm:
Excactly my point. You do the crime make up your mind to do the time. Every action has consequences; let her and the other deal with it. Don’t feel and ounce of sympathy for these folks.

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MIKE SMITH
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 4:43 pm:
dam bro you read my mind like i said before and in the future lock them all up let the devil figure it out.

drumup_change
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 8:06 pm:
………………………the October outcome in Brooklyn, NY may solve some of the crime in Guyana………….at home …………….friends of RK and the crime fighting possy…
Andy
on September 3rd, 2008 7:33 am

It is important to dismantle any criminal network, including going after relatives and friends who provided coverage or had knowledge of the criminals’ activities.

And this is not limited to criminals who use guns, but those who use pens and phones. Those who went from relative poverty to absolute affluence. Those who rode bicycle to driving cars. Those who rented homes to owning homes. Those who had no bank accounts to having bank accounts. I’m talking about corrupt criminal elements who seem to be getting a pass.

Let us not be distracted by government’s talk about dismantling armed criminal networks when there is a criminal network of corrupt government officials who are thumbing their noses at the government and police.

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otimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:21 pm:
Right you are Andy but the GPF have to be made to act within the confines of the same law that they are pledged to uphold.

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MIKE SMITH
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 4:52 pm:
dude you watch too much law and order

optimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 8:35 pm:
What’s your point MIKE, it is as clear as a glass of muddy water.
DMACK
on September 3rd, 2008 7:35 am

These are the crimnal that held Guyana in a grip of terror, a single man and a pickney, what a insult to free thinking Guyanese.

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pw2ieueye
on September 3rd, 2008 7:53 am

good job guys

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new deal
on September 3rd, 2008 8:09 am

well skinny obtain a cell phone after his escape, who bought/give it to him, and how the numbers of others persons are in the memory bank of the phone. were they in contact with him by giving him their numbers. these are the questions must be answer and those who give aid must be prosecuted, for aiding and abetting a criminal. let the acid critics file for insanity as a defense the logical choice only.

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lambada
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 11:13 am:
the police should ask the service provider whose name the phone is registered in and prosecute them.

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maudeena
on September 3rd, 2008 9:19 am

come on people don’t let the children pay for the things that they no not of let the woman go notill you prove her giltity the children have to go to school .i am shore you dont know how is seeing about then think of your children and tell me if you would like that. i am not say if she is giltiey too let her go .but prove her giltiey if not let her go too her children she is inocent on till that time

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mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:57 pm:
maudeena + eloise = same khaki pants.

Man a kyan tek it no mo, lawd have mercy.

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objective
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 2:53 pm:
Mackydog, I truly like your style.

onelove
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 5:49 pm:
mackydog,you get me cracking up here.

new deal
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 8:38 pm:
macky you can say that again, lol.

Cheryl
In reply to the above comment on September 8th, 2008 7:47 am:
MacD, what is wrong with these 2 bloggers, terrible, but u know what,? they r trying to blogg, and get into Guyanese affairs, I hate to stamp on anyone, because sometimes the fingers do hit the wrong keys, but at least, they should proof read, b4 hitting the” Submit comment “, I have never stamped anyone 4bad spelling, but, it’s time these terrible spellings stop,we born Guyanese have our down to earth way of speaking, and we can comprehend, these two bolggers, I just can’t.

Cheryl
In reply to the above comment on September 8th, 2008 7:53 am:
Heeeee!

MIKE SMITH
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 5:05 pm:
NO NO NO LOCK ALL OF THEM UP INCLUDING THE KIDS AND THE GRANDMA EVEN THE GUY WHO DOES THE GARDEN.

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John Smith
In reply to the above comment on September 4th, 2008 12:33 am:
Mike Smith, not the children. How can you think like that? If the adults are guilty, lock them up. With that comment you are as heartless as Fineman and Skinny. By the way stop ‘’shouting”, we are not “blind” here.

Cheryl
In reply to the above comment on September 8th, 2008 10:08 am:
Mike, u funny, lol

Roger
In reply to the above comment on September 4th, 2008 2:05 am:
Don’t you think if they let the woman go, the children could be turned in to likes of skinny/fineman? why would she maintain a relationship/contact with Skinny? wasn’t she thinking of the children then? Or; on second thought, may be she was?
Wake-up!

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colt45
on September 3rd, 2008 9:28 am

Very soon we will see the GHRA coming out of hiding and speaking against the GPF actions on Skinny’s relatives and contacts who assisted him.

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otimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:02 pm:
colt45 today I bestow upon you the Einstein Award for your less than brilliant blog there. When will you and the many others of your ilk understand that no one wants the police to fail in their responsibilities or duties? After all the police creed is to ‘Serve and Protect’ us. We need the GPF cus if you think that Guyana is hell today, check it out tomorrow if de police gone.

I hope that one day you will take that colt45 out your ears and understand that Guyana needs a PROFESSIONAL Police Force and until they do, we are ALL going to be in danger. No SIR the END does NOT justify the means, not in a modern democracy it doesn’t! We dare not allow the brute force and ignorance along with police brutality and torture to continue unchecked. Illegal detention and false arrest are a scourge to this nation and with all this illegality, the GPF is not enjoying a higher degree of success when it comes to arrest and conviction of criminals; their conviction rate is still abysmally low.

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mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 1:00 pm:
I wonder who will be bestowed the famous Einstein Award from you tomorrow. Every day is a different person, this thing rotating fast.

Optimist pessimist, I think you should keep it fuh yuhself. It getting stale now.

colt45
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 2:28 pm:
Optimist pessimist, I had that colt45 on the hips during Burnham days when we had to keep vigil at night and work during the day because the police then, who still retain the vestiges of that era, refused to protect us with patrols or arms and instead told us to arm ourselves with batons to fight against kick down the door bandits who had SLR’s as weapons. I have very little respect for most in the police force who collect bribes at every opportunity and harass innocent persons sometimes.
I was in Guyana last month and was in a bar where two ranking officers were openly imbibing with a known local criminal.
That being sain, my point in the above comment was about the so called GHRA who finds it convenient to come out of its lair only to attack the police and government.
So…just keep your imaginary awards to yourself.

otimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:04 pm:
You will sing a different tune the day that you or your family become a suspect in any case that the GPF are investigating or if you happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time when they are passing through. We know that the GPF needs to be a blunt object like a cudgel sometimes t’is true, but they also need to be a scalpel at other times too. Today because they lack intelligence, capability and resource ful leaders, they are almost always cudgel.

The GPF needs to respect the law too. Not because they are keepers of the law means that they are above the law. They have to be made to be accountable in a similar manner that we lesser mortals are. There is not enough effort being done to eradicate the bad apples and the bribe takers in the bunch. Another big problem is that the police cannot be allowed to police/investigate themselves. Within the police force they need to be very close knit and have a mind set to always protect each other. With this social behavior in place, how can they effectively investigate each other?

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otimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 4:45 pm:
mackydog you been stale and off point for the longest while now and you still churning it out as merrilly as eva. You cyant get um again, I done gi you areddy fuh some one of your blogs dat miss de point like many ah dem does do. Tek yuh award and shut yuh mouth nah. Yuh wan everybody know dat you get one too?

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mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 4th, 2008 12:12 am:
Opti pessi,
Honestly, I didn’t even know that I had an award from you before. You always crack me up when I see you awarding somebody with the Einstein Award. I don’t want it bro, that’s why I told you to keep it, but since you said I was awarded it before…
Oh! I am always on point, I never stray from what the topic is, even if you don’t agree with what I say sometimes, I stick to the topic.
eve
on September 3rd, 2008 9:30 am

WHILE I COMMEND THE JOINT SERVICES FOR THEIR EFFORT IN BRINGING THESE KILLERS, I WOULD SAY RUTHLESS AND HEARTLESS KILLERS DOWN I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED IN THE WAY THEY ARE CARRYING OUT THEIR INVESTIGATIONS, ITS NOT DONE POLITELY AND PROFESSIONALLY.YOU CANT ARREST AND DETAINED SOME ONE FOR DAYS AND POSSIBLE WEEKS FOR SOME ONE ELSE CRIME. RELATIVES SHOULD NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMEONE ELSE ACTIONS, THEY CHOOSE TO BE CRIMINALS WHILE OTHERS ARE LAW ABIDING AND DONT CONDONE ILLEGAL BEHAVIOURS. SO GET THE JOB DONE MORE ACCURATELY. AND DONT INTORROGATE INNOCENT PEOPLE.WHY MUST ONE PAY FOR ANOTHER MISTAKES

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Lenny Singh
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 11:01 am:
Where were the single parent (mother) and the other `concerned’ relatives of Fine Man and Skinny when they were slaughtering innocent sleeping children and their parents in the dead of night?

All of a sudden, do you expect us to sympathise with those who supported these killers?

Single parent or not, the full force of the law must be brought to bear on those who are aided and abetted these monsters.

What about those children who were never able to go to school- because they were killed by Skinny and Fineman and other beasts who seem to still be at large?

I would never forget the photos of the Lusignan Massacre where a child hugged her mother in death.

All of a sudden we are hearing that these killers were church-going boys. Which Church? What religion taught them to become such monstrous killer?

I commend the President, Minister of Hoem Affairs, the heads of the Police and Army and all those Joint Services personnel who eliminated these beasts from our midst.

Go full steam ahead boys and get those involved in the network which supported these killers. They are equally guilty and must be made to pay the ultimate price.

These are people with a different mindset and all Guyana must collectively condemn their actions.

Let the court decide their fate.

Once and for all, these people must be put away. We do not need them in society.

Skinny and Fineman thrived in their deadly enterprise because of the support of these other criminals who now cliam innocence and sympathy.

The Ministry of Human Affairs can take care of the children whilst their parents pay for their deeds and are put way in jail for a long time.

In so doing, we can be somewhat sure that these children will be better influenced to lead positive lives in society rather than become criminals, too.

The security forces must remain unwavering in its quest to bring an end to the network which supported this deadly gang.

The security forces must also not let- up in finding the rest of the criminals such as White Boy, Chucky and Not Nice.

They must be found and eliminated from society if we are to have peace, tranquility and development in this beautiful land of ours.

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coolieman
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 1:04 pm:
Lenny you said it all case close

SOESDYKE
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 4:31 pm:
Why not taken alive. I think they should be questioned first. There are lots of question to be answered. To solve a crime you need to get to the ROOT of it.

Cheryl
In reply to the above comment on September 8th, 2008 10:06 am:
Lenny, You blogged well up to your sixth paragraph, your seventh paragraph, got me going. You commend the President, Mininstry of Home Affairs for doing a good job, the President and Ministry of Home Affairs were not there, the JS’s sure. The Minister of Home Affairs cannot/would not take care of anyone’s children, I know Sandra is not being taken care of. We have to take care of our own, b4 being asked to take care of another persons children. What planet u arrived from.?
eve
on September 3rd, 2008 9:42 am

I HAVE GRAVE CONCERN FOR THE MOTHER OF FIVE CHILDREN, IF THE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE WHAT CONTACT DID SHE HAD WITH SKINNY IS THIS A CASE THAT SHE WAS TRYING TO LEND A HELPING HAND TO HIM, WERE SHE THREATENED IF TALK AHE WOULD BE KILLED, YOU HAVE TO VIEW THIS THING FROM DIFFERENT ANGLE. SHE CLAIMED TO CARRY FOOD FOR HER BROTHER AND ANY PRISONER WOULD ASK FOR A HELP FROM SOMEONE ON THE OUTSIDE TO DO THINGS FOR THEM, DID SHE REALISE IT WAS THE WANTED MAN SKINNY SHE WERE DEALING WITH. I THINK SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN QUESTION AND RELEASED. HAS ANYONE RECOGNISED THAT HER 2MONTHS OLD KID HAS LEFT UNPROTECTED LIKEWISE THE OTHER CHILDREN. THIS CAN SPELL MORE DISASTER FOR A SINGLE PARENT MOTHER WHO IS POOR AND FIND HER SELF ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE LAW.

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lambada
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 11:16 am:
did you everthink of the children that had their parents killed by these bandits and there coherts who the police are holding now?

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truegt
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 6:08 pm:
you cant meet someone in prison in guyana by just visiting another prisoner.

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eve
on September 3rd, 2008 9:45 am

LETS WAIT AND SEE IF THE JOINT SERVICES WILL INDEED CRUMBLE THE CRIMINAL GANG , BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE MORE LOOSE ELEMENTS DAILY LIKE THE PEOPLE DONT CARE ANYMORE WHAT FACE THEM.

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onelove
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 5:57 pm:
eve,where were you when these guys was killing women and children?did you ever speak out about the brutal killings they did?if it were your family they kick down their door and shoot them what would be your reaction?

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mackydog
on September 3rd, 2008 9:46 am

“They done kill he, why they want to lock us up?”
Simple…you were harbouring and assisting him to escape and continue to commit MORE crimes. No one need to go to University to know that.

The JS and GPF are doing a great job. They are seizing the pomp of the day and capitalising on information gathered. Don’t let up, lets find the driver who shuttled Skinny around and the supplier(s) of the cell phones. I hope the police reveal the names of the sponsorers of these monsters…from their “escape” to their demise.

GREAT JOB GUYS, JS & GPF. KEEP IT UP WE ARE ON YOUR SIDE AND WATCHING.

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eve
on September 3rd, 2008 9:48 am

COULD ANYONE SAY WHAT HAD CAUSED THESE MEN TO REBELLED IN SUCH A MANNER.

HAD THEY A MIND OF THEIR OWN TO CHOOSE GOOD OVER EVIL.WHAT WENT WRONG WERE THEY LOOKING TO GET EVEN FOR SOMETHING DONE TO THEM BY SOMEONE .BECAUSE A SIMPLE POLICE HARRASSMENT CAN TURN A PERSON FOR THE WORST.

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colt45
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 10:57 am:
Eve, they were pure evil. Everyone has a reason to gripe, but not everyone takes up a gun and rob and kill those who work hard for a living. Now what did the agriculture minister and his family do to fineman to get even. What did the victims of Lusignan do? In Guyana, some folks have become accustomed to being provide everything by the government and cannot or would not take responsibility on themselves to improve their situation. This mindset was enhanced by the PNC govt of the seventies and eighties which controlled everything and you seem support that.

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otimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:26 pm:
EVE, While I am not the blog police, writing a blog in all caps is regarded as “SHOUTING” You may want to revise the use of all caps when blogging, your blogs are coming over as a trifle shrill.

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John Smith
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 2:56 pm:
You are so right, OP

truegt
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 6:15 pm:
fineman,skinny and thier gang wasnt rebelling to anything.they were just criminal elements that were used by others to destabilise the country.

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Amarie
on September 3rd, 2008 10:05 am

With regard to the rounding up of the support network, let the chips fall where they may. If these people were involved in aiding and abaiting wanted men, they deserve to be placed before the courts.
With that said, the Guyanese authorities in charge of social services should see that the children left behind by the parents in custody are taken in and cared for. We cannot punish children for their parent’s wrong doings.

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decanadianCarlVeecock
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 11:02 am:
” We cannot punish children for their parent’s wrong doings”

Thanks Amarie.

I made a similar comment and was chastised for it !

You have broad thughts like me .

Stay the course.

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malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:19 pm:
Hmmm.

The aunt’s children. I hope none are boys!!!! Fertile ground (resentment, hatred etc) for the creation of another Skinny or “Fineman”, perhaps?

Will we ever learn? Horse already bolt the stable!!! What a cockamammy way at efficiently and effectively policing the state.

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otimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:34 pm:
Come, come Malaika, you have to agree that there is benifit to rounding up the criminals support network. Everybody knows that if you take a chance and break the law (by protecting your loved ones) you may be found out and be called upon to pay for it. The piper is there to be paid and at some point he may come a-knocking.

You made a solid point about resentment and hatred etc. One of the reasons that the USA may have a difficult time in the future with young Iraqi terrorist is because of that same resentment/hatred statement that you made.
john brown
on September 3rd, 2008 10:07 am

stabroek news is bias

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decanadianCarlVeecock
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 11:05 am:
Well john brown ? why waste your time reading it?

Shucks man! You make a bland statement with NO EXPLANATION !

Think you could do that and get “ink” in the other papers?

NEVAH…NEVAH…NEVAH !

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John Smith
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 11:44 am:
That is not true. You should take a look at the Chronicle and let me hear what u say.

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bishnu R
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 7:28 pm:
right on the nail.

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Raf
on September 3rd, 2008 10:18 am

Funny Story everyone.. it was only yesterday I made a statement about the real criminals and to my amazement, kaieteur news stated that a video tape will be released by the joint forces showing some of the political figures and others doing what the do best. can’t wait to see this tape.

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decanadianCarlVeecock
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 11:07 am:
Please post the “link” when you get it.

I too dying to see !

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albouystown gyal
on September 3rd, 2008 10:50 am

Mackdog I agree with you I hope they find all these ppl who help those animals and lock them all up..good work guys keep it up

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mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 1:05 pm:
thanks babes, luv ya too.

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Melainie
on September 3rd, 2008 10:58 am

If The police and joint services were using there investigstion department for what it should have been doing instead of harrasing the people of guyana ,they would be well aware of the family members and would have been looking at them since then,again i say you have already killed the men and now you decide to harrass the peoples family,dont you think everyone have suffered enough because regardless how you look at it everyone in guyana suffered through this whole ordeal,so why continue ?

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otimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:43 pm:
Melanie I was thinking this same thing… is how come de family members now suddenly come under investigation. One would have supposed them to have have been on the short list for the GPF to check out… or maybe that would have been too obvious… is de GPF we talkin bout yuh know.

I shoulda be a policeman boy! Guyana ah commin back… hol on fuh meh!

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MIKE SMITH
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 4:59 pm:
man i really dont like your comments, we dont know what team your batting on. for all we know you might be russian.

malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 5:42 pm:
Ok, Optimist; So you’ve got your answer, right? just by endorsing what Melanie said.

It’s just plain harassment and spite wuk!!! Do you think, God forbid! when another Fineman or Skinny rises that the family wouldn’t give them shelter and help? Hell yes!!!!

The GPF always do things back-to-the-front. Brute force and ignorance!! What they should have done first they are doing last, mindful of the consequences of doing the former (Fineman’s slaughter of the Lusignan folks in alleged retaliation for the GPF detaining/arresting or whatever, of his girlfriend)

Until and when we have a COP who has the moral integrity and “cojones” do his work properly, root out corruption, stand up to the politicians and inspire his underlings to do the same, then I’ll praise them.

But for now, I have not ONE OUNCE of RESPECT for them!! Everything they say I take with a CUP of SALT

The other elements that are needed to effectively and efficiently tackle crime have already been quite elucidated on already on this blog

optimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 8:44 pm:
Mike, Mike… Don’t think too hard son you might hurt yourself. Like your muddiness is more than just in your cryptic views. Take a bonus Einstein Award and go sit in the corner quietly.

Lighten up Mikey-boy, is only a blog son.

amen-ra
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 10:57 pm:
hey guy did you check out freddy kisoon piece on fine man in the kaietuer news. it;s very interesting
Ricardo
on September 3rd, 2008 11:09 am

This I think should be done to apprehend charge and convict these persons that aided and abetted.
” Have decoys stakeout the relatives homes and they will be surprised at the visitors there then keep constant checks on their activities, much would be achieved”

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Arnold
on September 3rd, 2008 11:26 am

All the family, friends and the notorious network that for——- ILL GAINED—-BLOOD MONEY, sold their concience and protected those, Nasty, Leprous and Society–Casted C-R-I-M-I-N-A-L-S………..
Will soon have to render accounts to the Law–Enforcement.
They will cry foul aided by the opposition.
No symphaty, ——–BRING—BACK—THE—CAT—NINE—TAIL.

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mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 1:08 pm:
Arnold,
no, the 3 strikes law…the third tme you have to go to jail, no matter for what, yuh spending the rest o yo life in deh.

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ink09
on September 3rd, 2008 11:27 am

The joint services need to be very careful with the tapes they “have” of the criminals and their accomplices in Buxton. They need to take their time and not cause more problems than there already are.

-The people who made the recordings need to be taken care of. The police and government need to do everything they can to make sure that these people and their family are protected, even if that means getting them out of the country. Remember what happened to the man and his wife in Agricola? If these people are not protected then, in the future, others will not be encouraged to assist the police.

-The police need to take their time and carry out their investigations fully before releasing the tapes. They need to make sure that they capture everyone connected to the criminal network and prosecute them.

-The police also need to come up with a plan to handle the backlash which will be created after they make their arrests. How will they handle street demonstrations and unruly protesters who will be chanting ‘e innocent, e nevuh hort no-baddy’.

The Guyana police force is in the spotlight now. It’s time they show the Guyanese citizens that they mean business.

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bristar23
on September 3rd, 2008 11:46 am

The police are always known in Guyana as useless. Now they are trying to do a decent job and some people feel its criminal - wow. They can’t win. They should try and do their jobs. You all should go to Jamaica and see how the police get information; you would have a heart attack. Guyana in my eyes is trying.

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EBD GROVE MAN
on September 3rd, 2008 11:51 am

Fire bun to the oppressors. Do you think it’s a joke to wakeup everyday; and when you hit the streets Babylon harassing you because of your location or your appearance, SOME of the police turn man into criminal while SOME of them are. Guyanese you all must stop supporting POLITRICKS yes POLITRICKS base on your race and racial profiling must stop .And then and only then will the country will be one .Remember one people one nation one destiny.

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bristar23
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 1:18 pm:
i live in ozone park queens in 1990’s would get stoped by police searched and embrassed by being put on the floor while there searching my car at least 1 aweek. would walk down 104st and liberty and get stopped by undercovers searching me for guns. never carried a weapon in public. but always harrassed. i did have my mischevious ways about me but nothing to warrant the harrasment. although i went through this once aweek it never in my mind came to think about going a kill someone innocently and breaklng up a family and destroying a young person mentality. so don’t ever say the police cause u and poor people to go kill someone innocent. i have thought of going intoi a station and lighting it up with my life ending,but not innocent people. that is just the lamest excuse to go and steal from other people and hurt people and their families. when u say poor people 89% of guyana is poor people –indian/chinese/ameridians/ blacks/pourtgese/brazilians/venezeluans/ u name it i don’t see the rich world of guyana that u do.

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malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 6:00 pm:
Retaliated you didn’t. Turn to a life a crime you bypassed. Why? Because you know that the NYPD don’t play!!!!

Plus, plus, for the most part, they are highly RESPECTED by many, including the mafia and other misfits. They get RESULTS!!! They actually “SOLVE” crimes. Why do you think they are called “New York’s finest?” While that is still debatable, NYPD invariably is headed by COMPETENT people who know the value of cultivating community members in the fight against crime.

And did I hear recently that the blokes will soon be getting, or already got, a pay raise?

Of course there would always be rogue cops, that’s a fact of life. But one thing I really admire about the US is the checks and balances found in the various arms of the Government/Union
MERV JOSEPH
on September 3rd, 2008 12:02 pm

I AM HOLDING MY BREATH BABY. CANT WAIT FOR THIS TAPE.

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Natalie
on September 3rd, 2008 12:59 pm

EVE, U AND I HAVE THE SAME FLAG, AND WE ARE WELL AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN GUYANA. AN ARMED UNMASKED ROBBERY WAS CARRIED OUT AT MY SON OFFICE AND HE RECOGNISED ONE OF THE GUYS BECAUSE HE LIVED IN THE SAMENEIGHBOURHOOD THAT WE USED TO LIVE IN. U KNOW WHEN THE SUSPECT WAS CAUGHT AND THEY INVITED THE VICTIMS OF THE ROBBERY TO IDENTIFY THE SUSPECT, THE POLICE WANT TO CHARGE MY SON FOR AIDING AND ABETING TO CRIME. I HAD TO FIND TWO LAWYERS TO INTERVENE.

MY HEART GOES OUT THE THE MOTHER OF THE CHILDREN .

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otimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 4:51 pm:
Nat, you and EVE have anadda ting in common too… I does get deff when I read the two a you

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briantee
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 5:47 pm:
Tell them pessimist they could learn a thing or two

briantee
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 5:44 pm:
You have to stop shouting, its bad manners

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truegt
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 6:22 pm:
did your son say straight away who did it?

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TIGER
on September 3rd, 2008 1:05 pm

once again congrats to all involve in the capture of those criminals and i support the police in the arrests of all persons who harboured, assisted, or had anything to do with the criminals escape.

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briantee
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 6:08 pm:
Tiger I would like to know why you’re congratulating the GPF when they have made so many blunders

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Debbie
on September 3rd, 2008 1:46 pm

Can’t wait for show and tell once the videos are released of the bandits in action and in company of their friends and family.
Guyanese having been living in constant fear of fineman and his gang. Why the pity party now that he’s finally gone? He lived by the gun and died the same way. Anyone following this story would have had an inclining that would be the end result for fineman.

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sagga
on September 3rd, 2008 2:23 pm

To all, the persons who were arrested for aiding and abeiting these criminals will eventually be set free,are they any recordings to substantiate these claims and the main thing is who is going to be the witness to confirm that these people were actually assisting these persons. The biggest err was killing these criminals they should have been alive to be cross examined, not having them would put a hole in the states case,and what good would it do to these persons they did not commit the actual crimes other than maybe not divulging information on the where abouts.

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brian
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 5:37 pm:
they were killed so that information about who the real masterminds are will not be made known but have no fear time is longer than twine

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StoneP
on September 3rd, 2008 2:34 pm

If this happened in the United States…somebody would be making a movie about it, possibly titled…..’THE REAL SKINNY’

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briantee
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 6:03 pm:
The authorities have a right to question anyone suspected of aiding and abbeting these criminals as long as they do it in a professional manner to win thn the confidence of the people

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bgsbny
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 6:41 pm:
….. u should write de script and sell um to owl eye spike,,, he like deh in racist themes ,, yuh neva kno’ ……

the one i writing have de GADFADAH who gon end up ,,!,,,, well a kyan tell yuh all , caz ,, i gat many endings fuh he !…….

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amen-ra
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 11:16 pm:
and although spike is racist you stil go and see his movies right.
John Smith
on September 3rd, 2008 2:42 pm

We in Guyana are feeling it more than anyone else. I truely believe that those who help criminals in anyway should face the law, simple as that. We can’t justify people breaking the laws by making excuses. If Fineman and Skinny’s family are found to have been in cohorts with them, then let the law take its course.

Now we must let the law be evenhanded, all criminals must be brought to face the blindfolded lady. This is not done in Guyana. We are not going to see or feel peace in this country until all criminals face the law. Peole are always going to justify their criminal acts on the remiss of the system. We have too many people with financial power and connections who do the less bloodier equviqlent to Fineman and Skinny and are walking the streets knowing to everyone and nothing is done. Please don’t even think that I am justifying or watering down Fineman and Skinny, I am categorically stating this is not so. I am simply saying that the man who puts someone in a coffin and the man who puts his hand in the state’s coffer, must face the law.

Two days ago I was driving home, I came upon a police roadblock,I was asked to open my car trunk, I had no problem with that. The car behind me was driven by someone of a different ethnic makeup and about my age, the police looked at him and sent him along his way with a smile. Now,how did the police decide to check who had something in their car trunk and who hadn’t? How can he tell that the guy behind me didn’t have something in his trunk? This is what I am talking about. Our system is not blind, it is one eyed

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StoneP
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 4:49 pm:
Hey John….Sounds like profiling by the police in your situation. It is unfortunate that this continues to happen. Happens here in the US quite frequently.

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malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 6:07 pm:
That doesn’t make it anymore right!

John Smith
In reply to the above comment on September 4th, 2008 12:47 am:
Stone, you know something? That is why crime will continue, they looking in the wrong direction. People are not stupid, you blame the “usual suspect” while the real ones leave carnage in their wake and the funny thing is, they are still looking at the “usual suspect”. My mother used to say when you smell something bad, check your top lip and stop looking around for dead dog.
lambada
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