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Early reports from T&T sleuths back police theory -Greene

Commissioner of Police (ag) Henry Greene yesterday said that two preliminary reports from the three Trinidadian forensic investigators who visited Guyana earlier this month to assist in the Lindo Creek massacre probe, support their “theory and support their position in terms of what happened”.

Henry Green

The police have said that ballistics tests on the spent shells discovered at the scene found that they match one of the weapons that was recovered by the security forces from Cecil Ramcharran called ‘Uncle Willie’ and Robin Chung called ‘Chung Boy’ who were slain at Goat Farm during a confrontation with lawmen. The two men have been linked to the Rondell `Fineman’ Rawlins gang.

Police had said they encountered `Fineman’ and his gang during a confrontation at Christmas Falls on June 6. They said that one of the gunmen was killed while six others managed to escape. The eight miners were believed to have been murdered sometime after this date.

Owner of the camp where the eight miners died, Lenoard Arokium, believes that members of the joint services were responsible for the deaths of the men and has said so publicly on many occasions following the June 21 discovery of bones and skulls at Camp Lindo. The Joint Services have since strongly denied this.
Greene said that the Trinidadians have suggested that they “do some additional things” after which a final and full report is expected.

Mark Fredricks and his mother lay a wreath in memory of Constable Shane Fredricks who was killed at the Bartica police station in the February 17 massacre.

And the Jamaicans, who are here to conduct DNA tests on the burnt remains of the slain, travelled to the location yesterday. The men arrived in the country on Friday night and Greene said on Saturday they looked at the reports of the local lawmen and were given copies of same.

The Ministry of Home Affairs had announced that after the US Government had indicated that it was unable to help Guyana in the investigation that help had been sought from CARICOM countries and that Trinidad, Jamaica and Barbados had all responded positively.

Meanwhile Greene, who was speaking to reporters following the wreath-laying ceremony for fallen policemen, hinted that the suspect the police had announced they had in custody in relation to the Lindo Creek massacres may be used as a witness.

The acting commissioner when asked about the possible “infringing” of the rights of the person since the prescribed 72 hours had elapsed without a charge said that the person is “in custodial arrangements.” He pointed out that there are several issues they have to look at in relation to the Lindo Creek massacre and other criminal acts while pointing out that some persons are “support structures” to the criminal enterprise and some of them are charged while others are not.

“There are a number of things that are happening and we are working with the DPP (the Director of Public Prosecutions),” Greene said.

And the acting commissioner confirmed that the suspect and the witness he had spoken about earlier are one and the same.
Greene was quoted in the Kaieteur News recently as saying that the force has a witness who provided details to substantiate that the killings were carried out by Guyana’s most wanted, ‘Fineman’ Rawlins’ gang. This announcement was greeted with scepticism.

Those who were killed at the site were Dax Arokium, Cedric Arokium, Compton Speirs, Horace Drakes, Clifton Wong, Lancelot Lee, Bonny Harry and Nigel Torres.

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27 Responses to “Early reports from T&T sleuths back police theory -Greene”

COSMIKE
on July 21st, 2008 7:01 am

Of Course This Is What The Forces Wants The General Public To Beleive, But This Theory Is Making You Guys Look Rather Incompetent To Think That This Massacar Happened Right In Close Proximity Of Where The Forces Said They Had The Rondell “Fineman” Gang CORNERED And That Was Just A Matter Of Time Before The Wanted Men Was Captured Or Either Sucumb Starvation Or The Elements Of The Jungle, Now Let Me Stick a Pin Here For a Minute And Ask The Trillion Dollar Question That Only A Few Bloggers Here Can Answer In The Benefit Of The Forces While Others Will Hold There Judgement Because This Whole Version Does Not Add Up, HOW COULD A KILLING OF THIS MAGNITUDE ‘FIRE SMOKE” GO UNNOTICED WITH SUCH HEAVY POLICE AND SOLDIER PRESENCE?, I’m Simply Saying That Something Is Just Not Right Here !!!

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mercigar
In reply to the above comment on July 21st, 2008 9:02 am:
It boggles the mind, Sir, to have heard from the authorities that they were on the tail of the fugitives from the inception of the operation, helicoptor and all, and that if the criminals werent killed or captured they would be lost and probably die in the dense jungle.
Then to hear that this atrocity happened under their very noses and they didnt even smell it. Isnt something terribly wrong here like in many other instances? That is why the government and the joint services are not trusted.

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optimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on July 21st, 2008 11:05 am:
I totally agree with you Sir.

The problem here as we all know is one of credibility as it relates to the Joint Services.

Me thinks that this is a case of the JS asking themselves these questions:
1. Do we prefer the lesser of the two evils: To appear buffoonishly incompetent and ridiculously inept by missing the screamingly obvious signs of a large bonfire within relatively close proximity of a JS search party who were assiduously searching for any sign, clue or trail of fleeing bandits? Or…
2. Do we prefer to be discovered to be fatal blunderers who massacred a camp of innocent miners while in blind hot pursuit of a criminal gang?

Perhaps the JS did not think that we the readers of their spun tale would notice the glaringly obvious smoke trail that was practically screaming, “Here is a clue! Come search here!” You guys ever got the impression that we were not supposed to have noticed that?

No? Well mussie is jus me den…

Chemist
In reply to the above comment on July 21st, 2008 9:03 am:
Cosmike I asked that question before. I find it hard to believe that a fire that would have consume eight bodies would not have been noticed for miles in an area which is sparsely populated. If the Joint services were vigilantly pursuing these suspects, how come they weren’t attracted to smoke eminated from this camp??? They were believed to have been in this general location around the same time.

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La vie est bonne!
In reply to the above comment on July 21st, 2008 9:08 am:
This saga reeks of a cover up. Each time they come out and spew a bunch of nothingness. Do they even listen to themselves?
This reeks of a stench that has been familiar for a few years now!!!

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freetorun
In reply to the above comment on July 21st, 2008 10:08 pm:
the copters dont fly at nights, is it possible that they were burn in the night.
have you ever think of that.

mackydog
In reply to the above comment on July 21st, 2008 9:51 pm:
Its no surprise how all of you so agree with this stupid conclusion from cosmike. Birds of a feather…followers…

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COSMIKE
In reply to the above comment on July 22nd, 2008 7:23 pm:
Listen Up mackydog!!!!
The Day That You Make Sensible Comments Like Me You Will Also Get Others To Agree With You But You And I And All The Other Bloggers That That Observe How Transparent You Are Knows That Day Will Never Come Because People Like You Are Set In Their Ways, LEGENDS IN YOUR OWN MINDS!!!
gt_hopeful
on July 21st, 2008 7:08 am

I think the police are working on a good approach to this matter, however who will protected witness testify against if the other criminals are killed or never caught. The Suspect/Witness may just end up getting a free ride for the crimes he has commited. good approach though, but just be careful, there may be pitfalls in this approach, but be sure to apply the protected witness approach in other matters, we will get results.

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COSMIKE
on July 21st, 2008 7:12 am

Let Me Add That A Blogger “Self Proclaim Attorney” Said We Should Look At These Issues With Fresh Eyes, Well I Have And What I Saw Was Various Levels Of Damage Control By The Forces, Again I Would Like To Express My Condolence To The Families Of The Slain Men, To Now Have Salt Rubbed In Your Wounds Is Just Ridiculous But God Will See You All Through!!

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kabaka
on July 21st, 2008 8:02 am

Let the revelation begin!

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redindian
on July 21st, 2008 8:08 am

it would be interesting to see the results of the jamaican forensics .
so before we judge anyone let us be patient .

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amen-ra
on July 21st, 2008 9:28 am

It’s just a shame that nothing will come out of this, another unsolved crime blamed on fineman and his gang.

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ankoko
on July 21st, 2008 10:31 am

I said here before and say it again that this will go nowhere fast. The whole thing is slanted to show us what they want us to see. There was more than enough time and opportunity to make the crime scene what it is needed to porteay!
I certainly do not envy Mr. Greene’s position but sad to say ‘it is what it is’ and will be nothing else. The Guyanese public will continue to be fed these comedic situations for the admin’s purposes

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GT_BANA
on July 21st, 2008 10:32 am

Of course the reports will back Greene theory. That’s because the scene was tampered to begin with to make it look like Fineman and his gang are the ones responsible for this tragedy. Who are they fooling??? I am still confused how the joint forces could be in hot persuit of these criminals, all exit blocked, however they are still not captured. Hmmm…….

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bruiser100
on July 21st, 2008 10:55 am

My own view is that the criminal gang must have known that the miners were their and the miners know that people were at that camp too.
When the joint services confront the gang the first thing the gang will want to know who inform the lawmen. The gang will very well think that those men inform the police.
With the previous killing of that kind the gang did I think that is why the miners was killed.

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ALL_GT
on July 21st, 2008 11:11 am

The police have done it again. They wasted everyone’s time by providing shells from probably the Bartica shootings to the forensic teams. Why have they not recovered fingerprints from the hammer used in the slayings and compared them with those of the members of the search party hunting fineman and his gang?

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sagga Grand K-Man
on July 21st, 2008 11:51 am

An inventory of finemans toatal spent shells should have been taken whilst those were found ,I bet the amount found by the Trinidadians were the same amount missing from the Police inventory of fineman’s evidence. If the Government would go the extremes to ban an individual from press coverage at the Office of the President, stop a televison station from broadcasting and had even pulled Goverment Advertising from this Print Media just because of opposing views,something as serious as these murders what extent would’nt they go to cover this up.

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kmatt
on July 21st, 2008 11:58 am

ONCE AGAIN, THIS ADMINISTRATION TRYING TO BELITTLE OUR INTELLIGENCE..

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I EXPECTED MR.GREEN TO SAY…ANYTHING ELSE WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF THE ORDINARY FOR HIM.. KEEP UP WITH UR NANCY STORIES…

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Chemist
on July 21st, 2008 1:49 pm

My fellow GT people, you are quite aware of the recent bannings by the Govt. y’all think Mr. Green want get banned from going to his own office by saying the wrong thing?

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birds
In reply to the above comment on July 21st, 2008 11:12 pm:
Chemist you are so right -My Green is still Acing Commissioner so the position is do as I say if not you don’t have an office to go to. But many must realise that some of you have taken an oath to all the people of Guyana to uphold and execute your duties without fear or favour. This is another smoke screen -the families of those eight miners that died my heart goes out to the families.

Again “Fine Man” been identify for another murder. Is like the many who been blamed for killing Minister Shaw.
What happened to the torture report ?

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bgsbny
on July 21st, 2008 4:23 pm

…… this comment is in support of COCHORE ,, who asked someone to next time
“please write in simple terms so that it would be easy for highschoolers to read “!,,

i felt he was being a bit harsh on the readers and commentors,, but now i know what he meant …….

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ramadan
on July 21st, 2008 7:04 pm

There are too many sceptics on this site. Why are you all judging our security forces before a conclusion is made through the forensic examination being done by both of our Caribbean partners can complete their SCIENTIFIC investigations.
To say that there is a cover-up is to say that there is a foregone conclusion.
I accept the security forces have not been doing a good job so far, but it is no reason to prejudge. Are any of you bloggers experts at such security/criminal investigations. If so, why don’t you all “volunteer your services. ”
Remember the biblical saying,”judge not that ye not be judged”, “those who live in glass houses ought not to throw stones…” etc, etc…

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mercigar
In reply to the above comment on July 22nd, 2008 10:47 am:
The biblical saying goes also,” By their fruits we will know them” which is clearly applied to the Police and this administration

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COSMIKE
In reply to the above comment on July 22nd, 2008 7:35 pm:
What Are You Yapping About EXPERTS ??
Have You Ever Heard Of COMMON SENSE ? Well My Comments Is Based STRICTLY On That Very Precious Comodity Simple COMMON SENSE And I Will Not Change A Thing, Thank You Very Much And Welcome To A Growing Club Of Blindness !!

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Carl
on July 21st, 2008 10:18 pm

At the rate that Henry Greene and other members of our joint services are going, All Fool’s Day would soon become meaningless because they are constantly attempting to pull jokes on the Guyanese public. Yes, these guys aren’t restricting their jokes to All Fool’s Day anymore. I wish that Greene and company would remember that they get to pull jokes on our nation only once per year and that, on certain issues such as Lindo Creek, there aren’t too many fools in our country.

Now, confirming the origin of the few shells allegedly found at Lindo Creek was never the underlying reason for asking Trinidad to test those shells. Hey, any slightly sane person knows that those shells would be pinned on Fineman and his gang once the joint services denied any role in the massacre. Greene and company’s real reason for asking Trinidad to test the shells lies in the much maligned ballistics expertise of the GPF. Yes, given that T&T has now linked the shells to a gun found on one of Fineman’s dead associates, as previously alleged by the GPF, then no one, in the GPF’s All-Fool’s-Day estimation, should ever again question its ballistics results or expertise.

I guess that you wish it were that simple, Mr. Greene. We know that the GPF has the gun and ammunition that were allegedly in the possession of Fineman’s associate when he was killed. So should we not wonder if it were arranged for shells from that gun to be found at Lindo Creek? And should we not also ask you to produce the evidence that the shells were actually found at Lindo Creek? And should you not tell us how the alleged witness to Lindo Creek made it out of your vice-like cordon?

Look, Christmas is right around the corner, Mr. Greene. You can spare us the All Fool’s Day stuff and start telling us that we–fully grown, intelligent adults–should seriously consider asking Santa Claus to bring Guyana the refreshing gift of peace this Christmas, by delivering Fineman and his gang down a chimney that you’ll set up at police headquarters.

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boneincraw
on July 22nd, 2008 12:36 am

Guyanese are the proverbial crapo in the cooking pot…. he deh in de pot and as it start to get warm he saying”Not bad, I can take this”. and a little while later with the water getting hotter, he start to feel numb and then can’t tell what really happening, an he stay there trying to bear the heat ’cause he an’t making no move to understand what going on or to do something about it ’til he r@$$ ded! Tchimta murupu!
So what y’all gon do?

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