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Fineman diary leads to Lethem woman

As security forces continue their mission to capture gunmen including Rondell ‘Fineman’ Rawlins who they believed are trapped in the dense jungle in the Upper Berbice area, a Lethem resident whose name reportedly showed up on the fugitive’s diary had been arrested.

Police yesterday would not confirm why they have arrested a 30-year-old female of Central Lethem, Rupununi since Tuesday although, a senior police officer in the district said it is related to a sensitive security issue in the community. Stabroek News had been told by persons close to the woman that police tracked her down after finding her telephone number on Rawlins’ diary. The woman is currently being detained in the area and is to be transferred to Georgetown soon.

Stabroek News was told that word of the woman’s detention had been circulating in the community, located close to the Brazil border. Sources told this newspaper that the single-parent mother is well known in the Lethem area and lived a relatively comfortable life. She is said to have been frequenting Georgetown over recent years and might have made contact with Rawlins when he was living there in an earlier part of his life.

A prominent resident of Lethem said that Rawlins at one time had lived in Lethem with relatives.

Meanwhile, members of the Joint Services yesterday scoured the Upper Berbice jungle for Rawlins and his gang which included some of his most senior lieutenants. Ranks came upon a part of a firearm abandoned by the gang on Tuesday. Up to press time last night there had been no further development in the search for the gunmen who the joint services believe are trapped in the jungle.

Asked about the search yesterday, Home Affairs Minister, Clement Rohee said that the gunmen would be caught. He said that he did not believe that they had arrived at the Suriname border, but assured that the security forces in that country had been alerted. Since Saturday the Joint Services had been maintaining that they had covered a large area where the gunmen are currently ensconced, closed off all exit routes and deployed helicopters to conduct surveillance. Rawlins and his men have demonstrated their ability to survive in the jungle. They had come close to being captured many times, but managed on every occasion to slip the police cordon.

Responding to intelligence reports that Rawlins and his troops were hiding out at Christmas Falls some 300 miles up the Berbice River, members of the Joint Services descended on the forested area on Friday. Once there they came under fire from around seven men, one of whom - Otis ‘Mud-Up’ Fifee was shot and killed.

The other six men, including Rawlins however managed to escape leaving behind a cache of arms and ammunition, some of which has been confirmed by police as having been stolen from the Bartica Police station the night that community came under siege by gunmen. Weapons belonging to Bartica miner Chunilall Baboolall whose business place was attacked and robbed during that incident were also recovered.

A top Joint Services official told this newspaper on Sunday that they were certain that `Fineman’ and several of his senior lieutenants were among those who escaped. In addition to recovering the weapons, the lawmen unearthed Rawlins’ diary, which they said provided evidence of the fugitive’s planning and executing of the slaughters at Lusignan and Bartica, taking vengeance for the death of his sister. They also found a number of telephone numbers.

The security forces had also discovered that the men were housed in an area with four buildings. They had foodstuff to last several weeks in a large kitchen, which also had a gas stove, generator and solar energy.
In addition, there were six portable tents, four hammocks, three mattresses, a mini-stereo system, a DVD player, a cell phone, a hand-held radio set, items of clothing, medical supplies and a Bible, which were all abandoned.

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134 Responses to “Fineman diary leads to Lethem woman”

bluegrass
on June 12th, 2008 5:44 am

the fabric of his net work is unraveling, and all those calling him a freedom fighter will be brought down with him.
kudos to the S.F. and the bells.

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Ginger56
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 8:37 am:
Who is calling him a freedom fighter?!!!

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INXS
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 1:26 pm:
Fineman and his crew can be called Freedom fighters, since they are like the offspring of the once notorious Douglas gang. Since Douglas’ gang were considered to be “freedom fighters” by folks from the main opposition party, Fineman and his mates can be called “freedom fighters.” Bear in mind, Douglas led the gang that shot a certain ethnicity of people in their heads in front of thier kids, even though they got money. In addition, his gang also killed officers, young ones like James, who had just graduated from police training, and was directing traffic on Regent street. He was armless I mights add. So yes, we can him a Freedom fighter

pepie
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 3:54 pm:
This has gone too far. Why is race being interjected into this blog? This was about Fineman gang and the GPF. How race getting in this conversation?

INXS
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 11:19 pm:
its been about race ever so long, and you know what? i can read these comments and am certain to point out people’s respective race.
In the end its what it would boil down to. people who make their comments here have a bias that existed in them from long time back. it is also easy to realise a person’s political backing by simply reading their comments. Course, most so-called smart people, you included, here would disagree outright.
And pls tell me, wasn’t it about race initially?
Note. i was making reference about Freedom Fighters, and I believe they were out to get a certain race of people, along with police officers.
If Fineman was suppose to have another massacre, I pray not, what race of people would he gun down?
bvbocan
on June 12th, 2008 6:38 am

This admistration treats the Guyanese people as if we are fools

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popeoplefedup
In reply to the above comment on June 13th, 2008 11:04 am:
You get treated based on what you are. Nothing new there.

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amen-ra
on June 12th, 2008 6:45 am

I’M PUZZLED WHEN THE NEWS OF FINEMAN AND HIS GANG WAS REPORTED TO BE IN THE KWAKWANI ARE WE WERE TOLD THAT ALSO WANTED MAN BYNOE, WHO WAS CHARGED ALONG WITH BENSCHOP WAS ALSO IN THE AREA. MY QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM, HOW COME NO NEWS REPORT ABOUT HIM, OR IS IT JUST A SMOKESCREEN OF DIVERSION AS SOME PEOPLE MENTIONED IN EARLIER POST.

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BOEING777
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 9:11 am:
ROHEE YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB WITH THE SMOKE SCREEN
AND DIVERSIONARY TATICS.
WELL DONE!

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ms guyana
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 1:21 pm:
from what i understand osama and dr zawahiri were also in the house and made a run for it. unlike fineman they didnt leave tehir holy book behind

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motherofmine
on June 12th, 2008 7:08 am

this is to show how desperate the joint services are, how could they arrest a woman because her name is in a telephone book, this is not cause to arrest a dog must less a person in this case.

i hope the police are not going to take her to Eve Leary.
Does she have a criminal history or is her telephone records showing that she called fineman?

if they were two-way conversations then i could see how she is arrested, otherwise …let her go.

just cause, police, just cause where is your just cause?

We need a public defence system in Guyana to help citizens who do not have an attorney and this will not happen, this makes me ashamed to be a Guyanese, the state of Guyana should be renamed to cowboy town

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Cheryl
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 12:43 pm:
Motherofmine.

This is food 4 thought, I do receive calls on my cell that , persons # I don’t know, do I keep them in my cell or book, hell no, they have all right to arrest her, if she has nothing to do with his contact, then let her explain, “nothing to fear”.

Just a pack of lies, the Government of guyana should keep their big mouth close, giving out information of where they are searching, (the areas,) they should throw some tear gas around those areas, sure get them out.

Guyana’s law inforcement are lacking in many areas, they talk 2 much and most of it are lies.

This is for Rohee, remember aunt Marge or Maggie, in third Street Albertown, opposite Carol’s car service, (well good, I know u can) what did she use to say to you kids, let me remind you, “speak the truth, and speak it always, cost it what it may,” sure u cannot forget her words, yourself, Clifford, margaret and the others cannot forget.

So, don’t sell ur soul like the others, start singing now concerning RK, ur were not in there at the time, but u do have information concerning RK and the Government, better late that never.

RK has nothing to loose, by singing and dancing to his own music, he should be thankful that he’s in the great US, by now, he would have been alread dead, his own hench men would have taken him out.

RK is a snake, the US would get everything out of him, they are not the GPF nor the GDF, no mister pay a bribe here, then the bells would ring, the games over, and more visas for all those mininsters evoked.

His families, so called friends and the rest, would not even get a chance to visit, he would rot in jail, the bid boys in jail are awaiting him, soap powder is expensive in Guyana, cheap here in the US, no standing in lines to get a box, they don’t deal with a cake of soap in jail here, they deal with soap powder, so that’s a lot of soap to bend down and pick up.

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jerry
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 3:47 pm:
and home come they don’t have the evidence to convict Raphael Douglas?

Charriot
In reply to the above comment on June 13th, 2008 12:51 am:
Her name and number appears in his diary. She should be arrested and questioned. It’s called intelligence gathering.

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Scotty
on June 12th, 2008 7:10 am

Are you kidding me!!! Which bad man in GT keeps a wuh? “diary” Fine man kant spell “diary”. Wow!!! This it too much.

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BV-Empress
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 9:36 am:
Tell me about it. Thats the same thing i said yesterday. Fineman have no time fu dem thing dah. They really think we are fools

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SUPERERRO
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 10:21 am:
I HEAR YOU SCOTTY! LOL! AIN’T THAT SOMETHING?

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GT_BANA
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 12:56 pm:
haha….funny.

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popeoplefedup
In reply to the above comment on June 13th, 2008 11:22 am:
I would say anyone who is introspective and smart enough to execute multiple murders while being elusive enough to escape capture.

But then again, I can be wrong and have to concur with you guys who are personally acquainted with Rawlins.

I wanted to call some of you but now that the police have Rawlins diary, I have to wait.

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guy2008
on June 12th, 2008 7:15 am

I ,DONT GET THESE INVESTEGATOR S, AN THIS ARREST OF THIS LADY.
SO WHAT IF A PHONE NUMBER SHOW UP IN AN WANTED MAN DIARY ,HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT NUMBER FROM ANYONE. I HAVE A CELL PHONE AN PEOPLE CALL MY NUMBER THAT I DONT KNOW. THEN THEY SAY SHE TRAVEL TO THE CITY VERY OFTEN, COME ON GUYS SINCE WHEN WAS THIS A CRIME TO TRAVEL IN MY HOME CONTRY.

THEN THEY SAY SHE WAS LIVING AN COMFORTABLE LIFE ,MY GOD WHY THEY THE POLICE NEVER STATE SO WHEN ROGER KHAN WAS ARRESTED IN GUYANA WITH THE ARMS. NEVER HEAR THEY SAY THAT ABOUT HIM .

THESE ARE MY CONCERN DID THEY FINE ANYTHING IN HER HOUSE OR YARD BELONGING TO THE WANTED MEN IF U IN FINE ANYTHING THEN LET THE LADY GO.

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brown skin
In reply to the above comment on August 30th, 2008 7:36 pm:
nothing is wrong with questioning her. You see in persuit of fineman, anyone will jump at the opportunity of trying to get whatever bit of info. So she denied having any contact with the guy, no harrassment. Let her go, but watch her back.

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motherofmine
on June 12th, 2008 7:19 am

will someone please help me to understant this, is it a crime to know a criminal or for that criminal to have your phone number? the man called the editor of a news papers and a few tv stations to admit to somecrimes are they going to lock up the entire tv station staff or owner because the man called them? this government needs help they have issues

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pepie
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 12:54 pm:
You are right….and i bet Kaieteur News Number is in that diary. What are they going to do arrest the editor and staff. Come on now GPF provides us with more not this crap that we can bore holes in.

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BOEING777
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 2:10 pm:
smokescreen galore!!!
DIVERSIONARY TATICS galore!!!
INEPTNESS galore!!!
running scared of RK’s sining galore!!!

Charriot
In reply to the above comment on June 13th, 2008 12:56 am:
Birds of a feather, flock together !!!!

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motherofmine
on June 12th, 2008 7:21 am

where is the just cause for this arrest? just cause mr chief of police, just cause!!!!!

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guy2008
on June 12th, 2008 7:24 am

these people ???like this

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Scotty
on June 12th, 2008 7:24 am

I think some of the top brass needs to stop watching Law and Order or CSI. I can’t stop laughing. Fine man had a diary….Pa ha ha ha ha ha!!!

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La vie est bonne!
on June 12th, 2008 7:32 am

The diversion is taking full force.
Brace for more of it.

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michaus55
on June 12th, 2008 7:36 am

Dia…wha????

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Nuff
on June 12th, 2008 7:40 am

Maybe they meant “dairy”, not “diary”.

Milk does a body good!

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GT_BANA
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 9:07 am:
hahaha…you never fail to give me a good laugh to start my day Nuff.

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Scotty
on June 12th, 2008 7:56 am

This reminds me of the “ABC” show LOST. You don’t know what to expect next. You know it will be weird, but entertaining. I have a question; can anyone tell me if HBO or FOX is filming a reality show in GT? I’m convinced this will rival any of the reality shows ever aired in the US.

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motherofmine
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 8:17 am:
scotty:
a long time ago i told the powers that be that guyana was not ready for relay TV Stations, it would bring on americam type crimes which we would not be able to handle,

the powers that be laughed me out of town, now look we have some citizens looking at american type crime and have began to practice it on other citizens and we cannot police it. i said this since 1989

who is laughing now? since the influx of american drama on tv in gt the youths have gone crazy.

the government brought this type of crime on us without the ability to protect us.

GUYANA POLICE CANNOT SOLVE AMERICAN TYPE CRIMES AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW

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GT_BANA
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 10:30 am:
I disagree with you on this Motheromine. I don’t believe the blame for crimes committed in Guyana are the results of American drama on TV. The weak economy, poverty, corrupt government officials, society, etc are the problems that increases crime in Guyana. Poor families have little or no opportunities to achieve a decent living while the rich, drug lords, and corrupted high ranking officials have their way.
ashli
on June 12th, 2008 8:13 am

A classic case of grasping at straws?.

When, pray tell, in Fineman’s sorry life did he have time to write a diary? furthermore, does the man KNOW how to read and write? WHEN did the police acquire this so-called ‘diary’?

Mr. Minister, Mr. Commissioner, Guyanese aren’t stupid. If you are going to throw ‘theories’ at us in the hopes of making us think that you are actually doing your jobs…at least TRY to have it make sense.

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popeoplefedup
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 11:48 am:
You mean as sensible as these irrational claims being spurted here?

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vatvic
on June 12th, 2008 8:22 am

I hear Fine-man was writing his autobiography, and was on lookout for a publisher! He too had a laptop! which is now unaccounted for!

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BV-Empress
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 9:43 am:
lol. Maybe they want to publish it

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Guy99
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 4:13 pm:
LOL, this is good

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bob justice
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 8:16 pm:
2 add 2 = it must be roger khans laptop elimentry my dear Vatic we have solved the missing laptop saga.Rohee we couldnt have done it without Sherlock Holmes the great british detective .

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Satish
on June 12th, 2008 8:31 am

What a terribly cynical lot us Guyanese are.

Instead of praising our daring forces for going 100s of miles into the jungle and hunting down these animals. ……..
Capturing a large part of their killing arsenal, foodstuffs and lodgings.
Injuring at least one of the escapes (no hospitals in the jungle!).
Killing one of them and continuing to turn the heat on this terrible gang;
We have jeering and catcalls from the Diaspora in the safety of another’s land!
Shame on you..
I suppose the dead body in the morgue is all part to the Forces ’smokescreen’ too.

Let us hope the next copy of the Bible that this gang reads will be inside the walls of a stout Guyanese prison.

Our forces need hearty congratulations and best wishes on their dogged determination and success in hot pursuit.

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motherofmine
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 9:07 am:
NO PRAISE:
THE JOINT SERVICES HAS A HISTORY OF PLACEING SLR WEAPONS NEXT TO DEAD PEOPLE AND SAY THE HAD THEM SO WE KNOW BETTER SON, WE KNOW BETTER, NO PRAISE, NOT SO FAST,
YOU ARE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND

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BV-Empress
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 9:49 am:
They are finally doing what they are paid for.

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Alicia
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 11:32 am:
We are not cynical…just not blind PPP supporters…or maybe we are cynical after so many years of bad governance and lies.

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La vie est bonne!
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 8:04 pm:
bluegrass is one of them blind shameless supporters of this dictatorship that is now ruling from 1992 - 2008, yet he lives in the good old usa. bare face i tell you.

BOEING777
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 2:20 pm:
Shatish whomever you are… shame on you for living elsewhere and enjoying real democracy and shamelessly supporting this dictatorship. Get real. Go back and live under their tyranny and then tell us otherwise.

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bluegrass
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 7:44 pm:
i had lived under a dictatorship, and i know what its like. 1966-1992

Cheryl
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 2:38 pm:
Satish!

Praise them 4 what, that’s their job to go after them, and how r we so sure that this is even so, so much lies have been told , it would take 60 glasses of milk for everything the GPD is stating, to go down.

It’s because SN are doing a good job of printing everything, that we are aware of their lies.

How r we so sure those weapons belongs to fine man and his others, come on pple.

Let’s call a spade a spade, this entire saga, walks like a duck, smells like a duck.

The US should revoke all visas, the free monies to Guyana, then the fat ladies in Guyana would sing.

What the GPF fails to either know or remember is this, the US have different ways /methods to achieve their goals, they would watch and wait for years before a move is made, they would have their own, right there in Guyana, without guyanese knowing, I can assure u all, when they are ready, they would achieve all information that’s needed.

Some Guyanese talk 2 much, the CIA, FBI are different, they are well trained, they know how to dress like a bum, walk like one, act like one, even the Guyanese accent they would be trained to speak, to gather information, then while some are asleep, wham!, it’s 2 late, remember the arrest of RK in Trinidad, sudden.

Remember the incident in Florida, the male child from Cuba, well the families built tents, had plackards u name it, they were also keeping watch that the US would not gain access to this child, but as usual, they were fast asleep after drinking.

Janet Reno give the go ahead, the SWAT Team moved in and caught them with their pants down, just to remind everyone, that when the US is ready, all the cronies would sing, then and only then would we know the truth.

The FBI, CIA are all well trained, they never allow uneducated ninconpoops in there, the SEALS are worst, all these mentioned, are the best.

Sorry for Guyana, some GPF AND GDF have some wearing the uniforms and cannot even write a proper statement nor speak proper english, I’m to be excused old now.

All we have to do is wait this out, time would tell.

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popeoplefedup
on June 12th, 2008 8:37 am

These misanthropes exude confidence in their speculation, while attacking the armed forces of intrigue.

Sure the truth may be lacking on the side of the armed forces and government, but where, other than these effusively ridiculous deductions, is the evidence to the contrary?

It is always easier to be critical than correct.

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motherofmine
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 9:04 am:
OK JOHN

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Refugee
on June 12th, 2008 8:49 am

While, I am skeptical of the abilities of the police , I must commend them for the strides made thus far(small as they may be). Firtsly, the were able to track these murderous hell raisers down AND to prove it, they brought back one in a body bag!!!!!. let’s look at the glass as half full. Justice has been served, one down and more to go……

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popeoplefedup
on June 12th, 2008 8:52 am

Perhaps my reasoning is warped but isn’t it logical to apprehend suspects for questioning?

motherofmine was one lobbying for the “live” extraction of Rawlins from the jungle, since she believes in interrogation prior to conviction. Now, s/he is concerned and vehemently opposed to this potential accomplice to Guyanese slayings being questioned. C.S. Lewis declared that not even God can escape the foolishness of contradictions of which this blogger is guilty.

While being apolitical, I am beginning to suspect these gainsayers will be inflamed should Rawlins, their freedom fighter, be apprehended, much less killed. Then of course there is the issue where any PPP success is an abomination, an inflammation to your insular, malevolent minds.

If you want to disprove theories and surreptitious agendas, do so on the basis of empirical data.
Your chagrin at a flawed PPP government and a corrupt armed force will never be appeased when the only argumentative foundation you stand on is depthless speculation.

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motherofmine
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 10:34 am:
popeoplefedup:
You should blog on issues you know about, this is not your cup of tea. Why? You dont know what you are talking about.
I think you should try and get a good grasp of the issues and then write something we all can understand.

You cannot be mad with people who don’t trust the government. I can remember you saying that you are not a part of any political party, now I am starting to think twice about that statement.

We have the right to say we dont trust the government and their story dont hold water or pass the smell test.

Have you ever been in a fox hole? or investigated a murder? or had to deal with violent crime offenders? or people who do crime for a living? or have come fact to face with a gun in your face? or seen a child get put in a microwave? have you ever see a 2 month old baby left for dead on the east coast by the mother and you cant charge anyone because a senior officer knows the baby mother ? have you?! well i have and i have no reason to trust the police.

i can tell you a lot but the editor will edit it out and it will never be viewed!!! i am sure you never had to chase a criminal with a gun.

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popeoplefedup
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 11:39 am:
Motherofmine.

All I request is empirical data. You are expecting the same from the armed forces and government, so why not support your emotively charged claims with evidence?

That is all which I request.

Be objective.

BOEING777
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 12:10 pm:
ha ha… well said. it has too much time on it’s hands.

bluegrass
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 7:47 pm:
Well said peoplefedup.

motherofmine
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 2:06 pm:
NOBODY HAS THE FACTS, BUT I HAVE BEEN IN THAT SYSTEM AND KNOW HOW THEY OPERATE, YOU HAVE NOT!!

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING EMOTIONAL. ARE YOU A PART OF THE CULTURE OF NOT WANTING CRIMINALS ARRESTED ALIVE SO THE TRUTH CAN COME OUT?

WHEN WE KILL THEM ALL, WE HAVE NO ANSWERS, TELL THAT TO THE FAMILY LEFT BEHIND WITH NO ANSWERS.

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pepie
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 2:56 pm:
I tired of this guy.

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Nuff
on June 12th, 2008 8:57 am

Well, I’d like to know how they identified Fineman and his gang from the backs of their heads running away, but couldn’t identify the slain bandit.

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rupman
on June 12th, 2008 8:59 am

It is common knowledge that the majority of illegal weapons from Brazil enter Guyana through Lethem. Could there be a connection?
One only hopes the police conduct a thorough investigation.

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Guyanese4life
on June 12th, 2008 9:05 am

I am not sure of the Diary…

Fineman is not as stupid as you think…He can read and write very well…he was also in the Army.

If the police intelligence leads them to this woman in Lethem then let them question her the right way and if no evidence or proof of assistance in any of his criminal activities then release her immediately with statement that clears her name.

lets allow the system to work however flawed it is…we can bash them if they have her held without charge or evidence after 72hrs

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owenon123
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 9:55 pm:
Guyanese4life:

It is sad what is going on in Guyana in terms of crimes. Especially, when it comes to this robbing and killings that “fineman” and his crew is doing. My heart and condolence goes out to all those that lost their loved ones.

My opinion is anyone’s names could be on a wanted man’s diary, depends on what grounds it is in there for. Is it the woman is on his hit list, or is it she is one of his assistants in crime?

I can be wrong but knowing how the police operate in Guyana, I doubt whether if the young woman will be treated fairly.

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Imausar
on June 12th, 2008 9:07 am

This whole fiasco is a farce, and a smokescreen to cover-up the wrong doings presently in the country. When this matter was first reported; Joint Services stated that the six persons made their escape down a slope presumably with out their weapons; it was a fleet for their life because from all appearance, the Joint Service Ranks approached the camp with an element of surprise.

One must ask the question why these ranks didn’t give chase after them. They were without their weapon, which the Joint Services recovered, reportedly stolen from Bartica Police Station and Miner Chuniall Baboolall. So which weapons were used in the Lusignan incident? Incidentally, Fin rifle doesn’t use 7.62 or 7.62×39 ammo. They are for G3, SLR, M70 (AK47) and M39. It was reported that between nine to a dozen person carried out the act at Bartica, what happen to the rest of persons. Lastly, who or which group is responsible for killing Fineman sister. Don’t be fool my brothers and sisters, take the folders off yours eyes and start thinking for your self; you’ll see the whole picture.

Hotep/Peace.

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GTBone
on June 12th, 2008 9:07 am

It is crazy about the way the Government dictates the system.. then they should lock-up all the people that Fineman contacted….
I wish all the poor people that have to put up with the crap that the Jagdeo administration have us in..

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GoldnSpice
on June 12th, 2008 9:10 am

I see readers are once again at it and underestimating the abilities of alleged criminals. Why do you think he cannot read and write, is it because he’s from Buxton and is linked to crime?? Some of the criminals I’ve read about are some of the smartest people around, whether it be book smarts or street sense that can outwit many. I think you need to revist your assumptions.

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timeless
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 10:02 am:
goldnspice i tend to agree with the latter part of your blog and to add to that, i believe this gang has outwitted the joint services - AGAIN. It is possible that they had escape routes all planned out in the event of an incident like Friday’s. i believe they had supplies and arms (the AKs possibly) stashed at strategic points in the jungle to ’sustain’ them in their getaway bids. Maybe the diary can shed some light on this theory?! (i hope i’m wrong in all this though)…

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mackydog
on June 12th, 2008 9:17 am

At first I thought it was a good thing SN came up with this facility so ppl can contribute a comment, but now I’m convinced that it was a mistake to have it.

Most of what I read as comments comes from practically 99.9% Guyanese around the world and one constant phrase that keeps coming up is “Guyanese ain’t stupid…if they think Guyanese stupid…who they think they fooling, Guyanese not stupid… etc”. But today it is proven with all the ignorant comments posted here, anyone with even an inkling of intelligence reading these posts today, would without a doubt be convinced that Guyanese are very stupid indeed.

The Proverb; “Its better to keep your mouth shut and let people believe you’re stupid than to open your mouth and prove it” is totally applicable here.

Fellow Guyanese, it would be a pleasure if you guys were to use this forum with some sort of decorum so it can be worthwhile reading and also to illiminate in other ppls belief that Guyanese are stupid.

There are issues in Guyana that we all may not be in total acceptance with, that’s human, we all aren’t expected to agree on everything the same way, but if we don’t agree we can at least offer a solution to the issue of what we may believe would make our country a better place for all to live, those that are there, us that visits and even those of us who intends to return (permanently), make the posts worthwhile reading and if we’re going to open our mouths, do it so others reading won’t have to conclude we are stupid.

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INXS
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 1:32 pm:
I agree

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nabman
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 2:58 pm:
For your information Mackydog, this is what the more enlightened call freedom of speech. If you don’t like what is being posted, there is a simple solution: just don’t read it.

Thank you Stabroek for making reading of the Newspaper come alive and for providing this forum for the sharing of ideas and openions, it is the best thing that could have happened.

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La vie est bonne!
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 7:57 pm:
jeeze… you read stuff from him ha ha ha
rdman
on June 12th, 2008 9:19 am

This woman needs to be questioned,likewise all those whose number showed up in the diary,if there is a diary indeed, so that they can clear their side of the story.Criminals, drug dealers and gangsters all do have women and, they treat these women with expensive gifts,most times the women are the ones who sell them out.Remember how the F.B.I got Al Capone it was the lady in red.

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GT_BANA
on June 12th, 2008 9:22 am

I am hoping there was more that led to her arrest rather than her number just happened to be listed in the elusive “fineman” diary. I do believe there were numerous numbers listed and why only they arrested her and not the other parties who numbers were also in the diary?

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jerry
on June 12th, 2008 9:35 am

All u guys who talking about smoke screens its because u can’t acknowledge the fact that the police is doing a good job. And this is not just one criminal this is a criminal network so that’s the reason he needs to keep an diary. And all a u who are saying he don’t know to read and write, u don’t have to know to read and write to write a phone number.

U guys get real, when the police are not doing a good job u complain when they r doing a good gob u still complain. Come on “smoke screeners” get back to work and let the police do their work.

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rynexx
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 11:03 am:
That’s exactly my point. I think that’s MACKYDOG’s point too.

At the end of the day I think the Joint Services are doing a good job. They are trying; they can do more but lack of effective leadership and vision is what’s limiting their capacity to carry out their jobs in a professional manner.

The other day I went to Linden and I was stopped no less than 3 times by Joint Services road blocks. It was as if they were on high-alert for some reason or another.

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bluegrass
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 7:57 pm:
it simply means that they are doing their job and they dont have to give details to anyone,
GTguru
on June 12th, 2008 10:04 am

When do our investigating department get sense, wouldn’t it have been a better idea to put the woman under surveilalance than to jump to the fatuities that are not relavant.

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kayb
on June 12th, 2008 10:08 am

Now, we dont need to run up our blood pressure worrying about Fineman, the arm forces and the Government. For all the crimes in Guyana, someone has to be blamed and who is that person? Fineman. Whether he committed the acts or not. He can be caught if they really need him, but like Bynoe, he is being ignored, until someone is murdered. I am wondering who is writing that diary for him.

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bluegrass
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 8:00 pm:
could it be that he is part of the gang

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blueboyy2k
on June 12th, 2008 10:13 am

There goes ignorance again. Imagine the Forces are trying to get pieces of information together, tracing telephone numbers of people affiliated with Fineman,etc., and it’s all a joke to so called respectable citizens? Come on!

What people fail to understand is that Fineman is already labelled[ and is deemed ] a dangerous criminal. NOT an icon! Ignorant sectors of our society think it’s the latter. They feel he’s a hero to them.So now they’ll laugh at serious matters pertaining to the capture of that criminal.

Someone will write soon in this column, asking me[again] if I am nuts or going crazy, as to why I am saying people are “supporting” crime. But I maintain, from the context of these comments, it’s crystal clear of their “motives”

If Fineman cannot write[ as stated by our knowledgeable readers ], then at least he can jot down fragments of names(contacts) and their telephone numbers/addresses, right? If he’s totally illiterate as hinted by some of the people above, then some checks should be done on the above mentioned people, as they seem to know a bit too much about a dangerous and criminally insane murderer.

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Cheryl
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 2:47 pm:
Thanks blueboyy2k

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guyanapdp
on June 12th, 2008 10:38 am

Personally, I do not understand why anyone under fire would run off and leave all those guns and ammo.

If it was me I would have grabbed my gun and ran, not drop it and get the hell out of there.

Big dummies, Fineman is a Trained Soldier, not really a compliment, but not stupid enought to run and leave his guns behind, but of course if they were stolen from Bartica Police, they were probably left behind cause they were too old and didn’t work, as most of the GPF firearms.

I would have left them too, along with all the rusty Bullets, lol

Don’t worry my fellow Guyanese, after we win the 2011 Presidential Elections, the people of Guyana will be able to defend their homes.

Admin,
Peoples Democratic Party, Guyana

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INXS
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 1:42 pm:
what would you be able to grab if your house was burning down. Lets see, maybe nothing!!

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bluegrass
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 8:15 pm:
well you are not them, and they are not you.
when you hear gun shots you run for cover.

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gegan143
on June 12th, 2008 10:53 am

I am beginning to wonder what next will happen in the “Days of our lives” in GT. These people are obviously looking at too much court tv to come up with this ridiculous story what is worst is that they expect us to believe this madness…….I mean a DIARY ……….my five year old neighbour could come up with a better story and he is not the brightest bulb on the block. But w8 there are some ppl on here who believe this crap lol lol lol jeez fineman has a DIARY which gives details of his murderous plans in Lusignan and Bartica he must be really dumb and the fact that the police can’t find him this is a Dumb & Dumber scenario. Maybe indeed as those before me said Fineman was journalising for his autobio I hope it will be out soon in paperback and hard cover…..ok ppl i think we should check his BLOG cause he might be a blogger.lol lol lol lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Alicia
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 11:27 am:
very funny…lol

i mean the situation sucks butn ur post says it all

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bluegrass
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 8:04 pm:
is that the best you can look at, well that said it all.

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Alicia
In reply to the above comment on June 13th, 2008 8:56 am:
If you feel the administration is doing such a great job why don’t u return to Guyana and see what it is really like? You talk about the Burnham dictatorship…So what is the PPP’s aim? to come in and do worst?
Arcadia Terry
on June 12th, 2008 11:12 am

Sorry to say this but this forum started out very positive Now i find instead of sticking with the Topic of the day we are Bashing each other on an International Forum My fellow Guyanese Be proud of who we are Let us do this in a respectful manner to each other. THANK YOU STABROEK NEWS>

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Alicia
on June 12th, 2008 11:24 am

Number one question about fine man diary? Can he spell?

Number two: Was it Pink, Blue or camouflage?

I don’t think the Government is interested in the people who don’t beleive these stories. They know that their supporters will believe any dribble that comes out of their mouth no matter how ludicrous. I mean the people in Lusignan have already said they are satisfied with the job the police and government is doing to find the criminals in a SN what the people say.

The rest of us can curse all we want…the government will get away with these lies because they can.

I personally believe that eventually they will produce a diary. I wonder who has been tasked with writing it? Certainly someone who knows more about those killings than any of us.

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gtmassive
on June 12th, 2008 11:27 am

When this story first came out I wrote, “why wasn’t the diary in the picture with the guns and ammunition that was found, since it was a big piece of evidence.”

I hope we get to see a picture of it, that way we will know it is real.

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GT_BANA
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 12:46 pm:
Who is to say the diary belongs to fineman? They can easily produce one like ALICIA stated. I myself wondered why they didn’t pictured the diary with the guns and ammunitions. Atleast if they did, there wouldn’t be any discussion as to if “fineman” did in fact had a diary.

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popeoplefedup
on June 12th, 2008 11:46 am

I am disillusioned temporarily.

We have too many Guyanese arguing from a logical vacuum. Like an epidemic, the concoction theory is infecting the minds of the irrational.

All we have here are baseless, emotionally charged missives of embittered pro PNC/ anti-PPP supporters.

I have grown to see why my country has not only produced useless specimens from both the PPP and PNC, but also social and economic malaise. The majority of people here have taken leave of their reasoning.

Rawlins and his crew will emerge dead and then we shall hear even more accusations and sensationalist theories.

Skeptics shall abound, and that’s all they would be.

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bluegrass
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 8:10 pm:
i read he is an imaginary person, invented by the administration

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INXS
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 11:29 pm:
Its whats some people in this blog will soon say.
justice4allguyana
on June 12th, 2008 11:46 am

Well Mr. Minister and Mr. Commissioner you have all Guyanese thinking that they are stupid. Congrates that’s the only thing you guys can do good. You claim that in Fineman’s diary, he stated that he planned and execute the Lusignan and Bartica murders taking vengeance for his sister death. What foolishness is this? Didn’t these murders occur before his sister death?

What you are saying is that he execute the murders because he knew that gunmen would have killed his sister.

If he knew this why then didn’t he go after the killers instead of those innocent people of Lusignan and Bartica and or prevented his sisters’ death?

My God I think that you all can do better than that.

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Nello
on June 12th, 2008 12:21 pm

Whew!!!!! I hope to GOD that my cell number does not turn up in fineman’s diary (if there is truly one). The amount of calls I get that I have to answer “Sorry you have the wrong number”, it is not funny – PEOPLE GET TELEPHONE NUMBERS MIXED UP ALL THE TIME! Unless her name is recorded next to it or they can provide scripts of actual conversations between this woman and fineman she should be let go.

People, don’t believe everything you read in the daily papers. This paragraph for example:

“A top Joint Services official told this newspaper on Sunday that they were certain that `Fineman’ and several of his senior lieutenants were among those who escaped. In addition to recovering the weapons, the lawmen unearthed Rawlins’ diary, which they said provided evidence of the fugitive’s planning and executing of the slaughters at Lusignan and Bartica, taking vengeance for the death of his sister. They also found a number of telephone numbers.”

I think his sister was killed after these two incidents. It’s either that this is a misprint or I’m going senile. Lusignan-26th January; Bartica-February 17th; Fineman’s sister-March 10th.

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GTguru
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 2:00 pm:
I totally agree with your last paragraph, and I have asked if there was a sister that got killed prior to Lusignan & Bartica.

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justice4allguyana
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 3:19 pm:
No you are not senile or I don’t believe that this is a misprint. I is recorded in all three news papers and even aired on the television stations.

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Nuff
on June 12th, 2008 12:27 pm

Does the phone belong to fineman .. or does it belong to one of his cohorts. Have they proven it’s fineman’s phone?

They should stick to reading his runnings/diary, because it sounds like the ramblings and makings of the Unabomber.

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gegan143
on June 12th, 2008 1:45 pm

Just to be clear my comments have nothing to do with being Pro PNC or pro PPP. I am calling a spade a spade the powers that be are dishonest and corrupt I and in response to a “Satish” who earlier stated in a sarcastic manner “I suppose the dead body in the morgue is all part to the Forces ’smokescreen’ too”……………………..My reply is …..that is not beyond our “leaders” much worst has been done by them.

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Raymond Persaud
on June 12th, 2008 2:26 pm

I say let the Security force do their work and investigate every single lead - do not leave any stone unturned.
Only today in the UK a woman, her brother and sister were all jailed for 10 yrs each for not reporting a terrorist (her husband) and helping him escape see the 21/7 terrorist - bbc.co.uk

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pepie
on June 12th, 2008 2:57 pm

Popeoplefedup…

I think you will never understand Certain section of the Guyanese population and it is clear that you have different experiences from most of the people here in this blog - as it relates to the police. What you see here is not mere emotions but an expression of what some of us live through. If you grew up in certain areas in Guyana you would have a totally different view of this situation here.

I don’t think none of these bloggers here want Fineman to go free…..and that is my strongest belief. What we done want is anyone, and i say anyone taking the law into his own hands and that includes Joint Services. There are guidelines which are Enshrine in the laws of Guyana detailing how these organs of the state should be run but too many times they themselves have broken the law, with no redress for victims of the family. Every Guyanese has a story that they can tell when it comes to the GPF. All we want is the GPF to be more professional and more fair and there is nothing fair with picking that woman up because “she living good and does travel to town steady”, while RK is allow to carry on his criminal enterprise unabated.
However, what i think the GPF should have done after the recovery of the so-call diary, was to put this woman under surveillance - place undercover police officers to monitor her. Now, we are going to jail everyone whose number and name is in there, with out any further evidence. Fineman writings is now worthless. You see why we need a better police force.

Alot of the people here have close friends and family in GPF. Hence they have an inside knowledge of what they are talking about. You asking for empirical data, when you know quite well the GPF does not have a good record keeping system. Furthermore, even if you ask the GPF for this data, they can’t provide it. Remember there is no Internal Affairs in this country. No one over look GPF but GPF and thats disaster. Where in this country can be get this data. You tell us.

So please don’t try the same tactic like Dr. Prem Misir on the subject of Marginalization of African Guyanese, when he ask his critics for so call empirical data to substantiate there claims when he know its hard for his government (PPP) to compile any accurate data to oppose claim.

The reason why we are here “safe” as some put it and speaking loud on these issues is because had we done this back home we would have been charge for sedition and popeoplefedup……you know if you are of a certain flock what happens to you. If you don’t then listen, you get five years in Jail, then the President of the country is going to release you - yes release you and say, “I hope ya learn ya lesson”.

However…i think this is the goodly Doctor

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GTguru
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 4:03 pm:
You go Pepie, that’s what I said in my blog about the woman going under surveillance first which might have led them to something.

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popeoplefedup
In reply to the above comment on June 13th, 2008 11:13 am:
That’s my point, dear Guyanese,

There is no evidence, so why are people here resorting to sensationalist claims when they themselves have no evidence.

What is achieved by baseless criticims, which are yet to be proved?

And give me a break about having connections. What makes you think I have no one in convenient positions to apprise me of wrongdoings?

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.

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Debbie
on June 12th, 2008 3:46 pm

Why is it inconceivable that what has been said is the truth? Is the current government and the entire GPF, GDF and the foreign help out to brainwash and make fools of an entire nation?
Why would Rawlins not have a “Diary aka notebook” to jot down dates, numbers, names and other pertinent information regarding his criminal activity? Like some of you, he has no access to Blackberry, PDA or Laptops.
As for out running the police, Rawlins and his gang have been on the loose for months, he knows the area(or he wouldn’t have chosen it for a hideout) Don’t you think he had other areas ready for just such an occasion? I am sure he has several other hideouts equipped with all that he needs to contuine his criminal activity. So what if he comes out of the jungle walking or in a body bag, any which way he’s a dead man walking. Do we really need his word of acknowledgement that he committed the Bartica and Lusignan crimes?
Like “popeoplefed” said, bring forth your arguments based on facts if you seriously doubt what has been said.

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Guy99
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 4:31 pm:
Why do you think fineman need to jot down dates? is he writing a book later? Are we talking about a Guyanese criminal? Well if you believe the diary, I guess you believe he got revenge in Barticia and Lusignan for his sister death . By the way his sisterr death happen after these crimes

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bob justice
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 7:54 pm:
Yes Debbie fine man being a sophiscated crimnal needs to check his stocks and shares left his pda at home so as taken to writing things down.come on this guy is more likely to be in Suriname or somewhere else.there is no saftey in numbers for these people anyone like him and his so called crew could not go unnoticed you know people like to chat .I wouldnt be surprised if he aint dead already or oblivious to all whats gone on because he went to ground for his earlier crimes. your comment gives him some master criminal attributes its not months its been longer he is becoming Bin Laden of Guyana.
I think we saw him today singing songs outside the train station

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Guy99
on June 12th, 2008 4:09 pm

Since when do any Guyanese keep a diary? This govt think its citizens are stupid, the fineman story is a smoke screen to a bigger one, ROGER KHAN. Don’t forget, fineman story came out the after Roger Khan start talking.

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bluegrass
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 8:21 pm:
i kept a diary each year for 5years, before i run from the pnc dictatorship.

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i4ithal
on June 12th, 2008 4:13 pm

me nah bout yal, but i hope yall count yall blessings cause yall deh hey to blog yall thoughts……wah but them people who dead!……..now fine and or fat man wah eva he maybe i applaud the securiti foce for goin afta he n he associates,,,,can’t cal em gang cause every man fah himself out deh…….dem chaps dis nah have no honor system in deh organization,,,,,,Gangs as we no die for each othda an deh do have codes deh live by…….having seh dah, count yall blessing also dat yall name/phone numba nah appear in bin ladin diary cause the US would have sent yall to guantanamo bay, wah eva dah is, for a lon time to come,,,,so who seh they shuld nah arrest dah lady ……………. this whole issue is not about “fineman’ anymo, it is about security for the wider society at large……….. let me ask dis awho coming to guyana anytime soon fah vacation……! le we hope fineman is lock away before u meet yah!………

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SOESDYKE
on June 12th, 2008 4:50 pm

Don’t worry my fellow Guyanese,every LONG ROPE has an END.

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popeoplefedup
on June 12th, 2008 5:24 pm

What is befuddling is not so much Fineman having a diary, but that people are convinced he cannot.

They say, why would he possess such; I say why not?

Some people, embittered by PPP victimisation or marginalization cannot emancipate themselves from virulence even if criminals are being cornered and close to execution.

They cannot liberate their thoughts to achieve some objectivity.

It would be a relief for some of you, for once, to remember the protruding entrails and pools of blood in impoverished homes in Lusignan, if not Bartica. Then perhaps you might be tempted to understand the retributive justice many Guyanese seek.

I reiterate slay these “freedom fighters” and bat not an eyelid at the naysayers.

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pepie
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 10:25 pm:
Thanks to see that you coming around…..with becoming aware of some of the bad things this administration did to its young population - Victimization and Marginalization. There are punishing the children for their parents’ sins. That’s why the children rise up against them.

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Ricky
on June 12th, 2008 5:31 pm

If the force, which ever, was truly involved in the shootout, I’m not here disputing that, how come they are so far behind in capturing or destorying the entire group? Something is wrong here, did they stop to have a beer in the camp? This is quite puzzling. It would seem to me that these men without food is stronger and last longer than our boys in uniform. Maybe we need to revamp the forces.
The Government is playing Sal-Out. The gane will come to an end and them we start over.
I Want to feel safe when I walk the streets in Georgetown and buxton as I did without fear in the eighties’
I want Guyana that can be to progress and be on top. I Know we can. See the brains around the world a great percentage is Guyanese. We can turn this Country around very quickly when we start working together with good Government.

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GT_BANA
In reply to the above comment on June 12th, 2008 7:18 pm:
You mentioned the key words ” Good Government” which is exactly what Guyana need in my opinion to turn things around and make the country a much better place than it’s current state

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