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Guards caught stealing from employer
Berbice businessman had been puzzled by losses
Two Berbice security guards who have been stealing from their employer for over a year were yesterday morning caught red-handed when the man acting on a hunch visited his business and found one of them with a haversack filled with items on his way home.
The watchman was on his way home with these articles, valued over $7,000, when he was caught red-handed.
Subsequent searches of the guards’ homes unearthed some $1.2M in stolen items.
The discovery by Roopnarine Ramnauth of one seven-pound tin of Fern Leaf milk, two bottles of chocolate milk, packets of curry powder and one bottle of Sunny Delight in the employee’s bag sparked the searches of the homes of the men by the police and items were discovered under beds, in suitcases and elsewhere.
Yesterday, Ramnauth was still in shock over the discovery as he told Stabroek News he could not understand how one of the men, who has been working with him for two years and whom he has known for several years, could have stolen from him for over a year. He said the pilfering almost led to the collapse of his business. The man, who owns the Narines General Store at Bath Settlement, West Coast Berbice, from which he operates wholesale and retail outlets with a bond attached and the N&N Supermarket at Bush Lot, West Coast Berbice, said that only on Saturday night he and his wife were trying to figure out how their business was going downhill.
The items being offloaded at the Fort Wellington Police Station yesterday.
“We were trying to find out what was happening, we say it is the supermarket because we open it last October and I use to take secret stock of the items in the supermarket but finding nothing missing. So we wondering what direction the business taking,” the man told this newspaper.
He averages that he had lost in excess of $8M during the period the stealing started.
Hunch
The man told Stabroek News that he woke up early yesterday morning and he felt that something was not right. “I usually take my exercise inside but I decided to go outside and ride this morning and I say leh me pass by me business place.” He said that as he approached his business place at around 5:30 am he observed that the watchman, who has been working for him for about two months, but whose duty ends at 6 am, was leaving the premises. When asked why he was leaving so early the man said he wanted to use the toilet. The businessman said he also observed that the man had a packed haversack and he decided to search it.
Roopnarine Ramnauth and his wife standing next to the canter with the booty that was recovered from one of the watchmen’s premises.
“I tell he leh me see what he have in the back and he say ‘boss man is [name of the other guard] give me lil things’ but I tell he I still want see and when he open the bag I see the things.”
The man said that he immediately contacted the police. He said when the police arrived they proceeded to search the first watchman’s house where items worth about $200,000 were discovered under beds and in suitcases.
But it was during the search of the second watchman’s home that some $1M worth of items was found. This watchman was described as a “trusted person.”
“From the things we find in he house I figure that this thing going on for over a year because some of the things we ent even get them in stock anymore, we don’t get them and it mean that he thief them since last year.”
Stolen items that were stashed in a bedroom of one of the guards.
As the items were being found and removed from the man’s house many villagers came out and some of them along with Ramnauth’s relatives were taunting the obviously ashamed watchman who stood with his head bowed. Many of them asked him how he could have stolen from Ramnauth who trusted him.
Stabroek News approached the man as he stood outside his home where several sacks of rice, large bottles of oil, tins of milk and other items were placed, and when asked for a comment he said he was sorry he stole from Ramnauth adding that he got back his “things I just want the story done.”
Suspicious
Ramnauth said earlier this year he began to suspect that the watchman might be stealing from him but he had no proof. “He is the mastermind and I suspect it but I ent had no proof. You know whenever we had problems with any watchman he use to pick and choose who he want to work with him suh now I suspect he hire people who woulda thief with he.”
He said when he hired the man, whom he paid $8,000 a week, he was living in an unfinished concrete house. “All I see is this man done he house, it paint up, get panel doors and if you see fancy things inside. Where he get that money from?”
His suspicion grew when within the last few months the man bought a car, a canter truck and started a hollow block building business.
But the man said even though he suspected he had no proof and did not want to accuse his employee wrongfully.
And while the watchman continued to prosper Ramnauth said that his business was going down the drain.
He said on several occasions he would observe that cartoons of items were opened and a few were missing and he would ask his employees why they were doing retail sales in such a manner. They would deny that they were the ones who were opening the cartoons but Ramnauth said he had no other answer as he still had no proof of anyone entering the premises after he would have closed it in the evening.
He has since discovered that the men removed a large padlock from an unused door and would use the bottom half of the two-part door to gain entry. He said the padlock was covered by a large tarpaulin and it was only yesterday morning in an attempt to find out how the men entered the bond that he discovered the padlock missing
From all indications the watchman, the one described as the ‘mastermind’, stole the items and took them to another location to be sold.
Ramnauth said that the man through his brothers has since offered to pay him $2M to settle the matter. “If he got two million dollar just like that to give me you could imagine how much money he been making all this time,” the man said.
He said that he hopes that justice would be served in this case while mentioning another matter where a former employee stole $100,000 from him.
“This man confess everything to the police and the matter just dragging out in court, no trial nothing ent start and is like over five months now,” the man said.
The two guards were led away yesterday in handcuffs and taken into custody at the Fort Wellington Police Station.
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133 Responses to “Guards caught stealing from employer”
amen-ra
on September 22nd, 2008 5:38 amIt’s a shame when you hire someone to watch your place and they end up stealing from you. glad they are caught and pay the consequence for their greed.
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owen bamfield
on September 22nd, 2008 6:12 amStealing (period) is wrong and indefensible. However, society has to be fair with its criticisms in this regard. There is a dichotomy of “lil & big t’ief’. We prosecute those who steal from behind a gun, but embrace those who wreak havoc from behind their desks? Those white collar criminals, like your CEOs, whose personal imports are ‘covered’ as companies expenses. This is apart from the many ‘known and approved’ allowances. What about when they use company vehicles (driven by poor, suffering employees) to transport personal effects? But that same struggling, hand-to-mouth, poor-tail employee has to find money from his own VAT-suffocating $$$ to pay a cart to carry home his building materials. The small man is powerless.
There is one difference between the (Chief Executive) criminal who siphons off millions and the (Common External) criminal; the instrument - one uses a pen and the other a gun/knife.
This man should be prosecuted, but so too should those in high places. ALL thieves cause mayhem.
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MACK
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 9:07 am:Owen I agree with you, however, the desk thief is harder to catch. If employees know who the desk thieves are and those using public vehicles for there own private use, it should be reported. You also have to take into consideration, that steeling from the Government and employer in Guyana is considered acceptable behavior for a long time. What has to happen is an education process, which would let people understand that stealing from the Government, or your employer is like stealing from yourself, as the folks not getting the goods or services, when all is said and done, is you.
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cochore
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 11:02 am:Report the thief behind the desk to who?…His superior?…. who has always been the biggest thief and know the system inside out. The behind-the-desk thief is allowed these shenanigans as long as his boss gets his share.
If you are honest about this, there should be no weathy Gov’t employees period, because the numbers and the dollars in the economy do not permit for such.
Great observation Owen.
DMACK
on September 22nd, 2008 6:28 amThis proves you can trust nobody in Guyana, not even your compatriot.
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darcman (IBGT4eva)
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 8:33 am:feel free to trust people out of Guyana…
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Evadne
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 11:18 am:I like the sarcasm.
truegt
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 5:00 pm:ha ha i know…..
anand singh
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 10:05 am:This happens everywhere.Every country have it’s share of criminals, even yours.
joe joe
on September 22nd, 2008 6:51 amToday is a good day for chatting,I am off from work,my wife cook me a good breakfast,I am relax…and ready for some real talk.Lets do it…These 2 men were just helping they self….they both have beautiful family,hard working,and been under paid.The people in Guyana has to work all day to purchase a bottle of Mott Apple Juice…..a day to get some rice and another day to get the stew,many of the children in school left home hungry.
I say kudoes to these 2 men….keep your family proud.Many is doing it and not get caught…you the unlucky one…bless you man.
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On the look out
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 7:35 am:Shame on you too for saying that. Seems like you too can do it if given the chance. Since when God bless thiefmen.
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malaika06
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 7:46 am:stupidness, bare stupidness you talkin. Now that you belly full, (burrrrp) you betta pack a food barrel for this man’s family because when he go to jail, he family can eat.
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Tygo
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 11:54 am:Hehehe. Hey the man did say he was sorry, Hehehe. The businessman seem to always be oblivious; it took him so long to figure it out.
coolieman
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 8:26 am:Those 2 men are not hard working, they were being paid to steal, they should be given the maximum penalty , luckily they got off from vigilante justice,
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Pepie
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 8:43 am:Joe Joe, it does seems like a good day for some small talk but a thief is a thief and as some country people call them “a thieffuh”. Stealing is always bad/wrong but what surprises me in Guyana is that only when then poor steals and get caught he is publicly embarrassed. In Guyana if you steal anything under a Million dollars you are surely going to jail but if the loot is a mil plus nobody will know and you definitely ain’t going to jail.
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John Smith
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 10:51 am:Well said Pepie. The blidfolded lady with the sword does take a peep when a BIG one hand get caugt in the cookie jar.
Countryman_eh
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 8:54 am:Yo, I don’t know what kind of knowledge you have, but I know that you know that stealing is NOT right, especially from your employer, thats why so much of us end up in the unemployment line and cry “Gaad me na get wok ma struggle fuh mek livin”. The man provide an employment for him so he can take care of his family, now all of them gon go hungry or may be all will start to steal.
This employer need to do some economics, how you can operates a business for over a year with out making a profit, u need some schooling, it took u one year to figure out that, Please. And bear in mind your own people in your community took you for a ride, none never say a thing to u because they were getting cheap food, say thanks to them, and now gimme back all me thing.
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Countryman_eh
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 8:56 am:Thats not good thinking brother, think positive and others will follow.
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Joanna Duncan
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 5:01 pm:Well Thank God he found the petty theives.
There is a saying — you cannot work at a bakery store and going outside to purchase the same bread in which you are making.
I am not in agreeance with what the guards did to their boss– but there must be another hidden agenda behind it.
The boss mentioned that is business was falling to peices because of that, I think he needs to check his accounts properly.
I donot think the guys could have stolen that vast amount.
Neverthless, I think they need minimal penalty and to understand what trust his.
John Smith
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 8:58 am:Joe you really are not thinking straight. How can you encourage people to steal from their employer? If they were not satisfied with their job, move on and find a better one. The man started a business (guess from his loot) and he was still ‘grabbing’ from his employer.
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MACK
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 9:10 am:So now that they are caught, and have to end up in jail, who is going to support their families?
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freespeech
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 1:30 pm:maybe that is what he is doing, u walk into some stores the people behind you, they know guyanese are thieves
tiger
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 2:01 pm:well he should have thought of that before , while, and just before he got caught stealing from his boss, putt ing his family in jeaperdy. let him deal with the consiquencs.
gtbeat
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 3:16 pm:This come with the risk of stealing.
EVILEYES
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 4:51 pm:They should think this out before going to theif…who should care what happens to his family now.I too think what will happen to my four wives if I go stealing people stuff..
freespeech
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 1:43 pm:how big was his bag, one 7lb milk, with other items, this employer was blind for a long time. may beeeeeeeeee he ?????? it. lol
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Anand
on September 22nd, 2008 7:27 amits sad but the average Guyanese will tell you its cool to steal from the boss.
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lisa
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 1:49 pm:it not cool to steal from the one whose putting even if it’s a littlle bite of food in your mouth. how can you trust anyone after that. They are paying you, and they can not make a profit; if he close the store then , there is no job. when it comes to money or your business you can not trust no one not even faimly. Even when you hire two instead of one it wrost, because they both take their share. Jail hem.
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On the look out
on September 22nd, 2008 7:32 amWhat a shame! The security guards should be dealt the fullest penalty for their actions. They ought to be thankful that they had a job. but no, their ulterior motive was to make themselves richer and the honest businessman business kept sinker down the drain and they were not concerned. All that mattered to them was that they got want they wanted. Good move businessman, I am so sorry that it took you over a year to catch them. Anyway, better late than never. Let them go to jail. Thief, thief, thief. Goes to show than anyone can be a thiefman
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nips
on September 22nd, 2008 7:38 amI did`nt expect this to be headline of nation newspaper.I got to agree with you joe.Dem Berbicie people rattish
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MACK
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 9:16 am:Nips, your eyes pass Berbice people. With all the murdering and thieving going on in GT.
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EVILEYES
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 7:44 pm:Long liveBerbicians and God Bless Berbice not Barbados ehehehe
love_gt
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 9:38 am:THE BARBADOS NATION NEWS PAPER SHOULD NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT MAKING THIS A HEADLINE BECAUSE BAJANS THIEF FROM THE WORK PLACES AND BOSS EVEN THE LAWYERS THIEFING FROM THE CLIENTS SO PLEASE DON’T TRT TO PRETEND THAT IS ONLY IN GUYANA
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gopie
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 3:13 pm:how dare you say that?
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Forbes Moore
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 3:35 pm:Nips, don’t go there. i am a born Berbician and town man rattish too. Ole people seh. Haag doung does mek good mole fe peppa. But when that same peppa tree grow and bare peppa, and a peppa ripe, bus am a haag ass, he can’t tek am.
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On the look out
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 4:22 pm:Dem Berbice people rattish like you nips and and Joe. Yall eyes really pass Berbicians. Tell where more of the thiefing take place. In Berbice or GT? At least I know I am not too much afraid to walk in Berbice with my money like it is GT
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EVILEYES
on September 22nd, 2008 7:38 amHmmm I wonder how many are under-paid in the US and other parts of the world but cant open their mouths at Govt…You hire these people they thief…You dont hire them they thief..They make a good living but they still thief….They are nothing but thieves and must be seen as nothing esle and must be in jail for a long long time–to reflect….
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Tygo
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 11:57 am:Hehehe. You hire them they theif, you don’t hire them is unemployment issue. Suh wha is de solution? You would think that if you hire them they won’t have reason to turn to crime. People eye too big.
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timmie
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 10:59 am:blame the business man and gt society as a hole…
thiefing in gt is at an all time high, he needs to protect his assets and check on his employees.
he probably accumulated his form theifing
thief thief from theif mek god laugh….
hitman4hire
on September 22nd, 2008 8:14 amWhy is it guyanese always have to be stealing. And it’s not just in Guyana…they do it everywhere they go. Just the other day a guyanese woman was found stealing from a supermarket and the items were hotdogs,cheese,toothpaste and soap. I am ashamed to say that I am a guyanese sometimes…………….they need to stop taking what does not belong to them.
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gtbeat
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 3:14 pm:They will even steal things that they have no idea what they stealing.
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Wilacam
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 5:43 pm:Of course it’s not only Guyanese that steal! We just pay more attention when it’s one of our own. There are thieves in every society even affluent ones. I’m not saying it’s ok for GTp eople to steal I’m just saying its innaccurate to say that they are the only ones.
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GoTo the Source
on September 22nd, 2008 8:31 amThese guys were on a mission to start their own mom and pop store.
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bess
on September 22nd, 2008 8:38 amsweet story,
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LoveGT4Real
on September 22nd, 2008 8:52 amIt’s one thing for an employee to steal some “lil things” to put a pot on the fire, but this so-called “mastermind” is nothing but a common thief masquerading as a security guard.
When I saw the first picture I thought it was just some milk and a sweet drink, but this man was actually in the process of ruining his employers business.
To think that he has the nerve to say that “he got back his thing” and ” I just want the story done.” tells me that he is only sorry that he got caught.
I wish the business man the very best of luck as he recovers from this.
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gtbeat
on September 22nd, 2008 9:02 amAll business men in Guyana need to have inventory control systems to prevent this sort of thing from happening.
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hope
on September 22nd, 2008 9:08 amHere’s a comment to Joe Joe … your comment is very disappointing. How in God’s name can you support and encourage those who covets others property. It is this very attitude that leads our brothers and sisters to move on to bigger crimes. So yes, In Guyana, we have to work one day for some rice, another day for some stew, the following day for some meat… do you not have to slave in the U.S,A , Canada, etc. doing jobs that you would never do back home to survive???
Or is it, that life is so easy elsewhere and Guyana is the most difficult place on eath, so we are encouraged to steal??? If you are a security guard doing shift work, I’m sure there would be a little spare time for gardening, have a few heads of cattle, maybe some poultry to supplement your income. Some people would prefer to hang their hats where it can’t reach. Ambition is good , but it must be legitimate.
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Amarie
on September 22nd, 2008 9:19 amI’ve said it before and will reiterate…Some guyanese would steal the man off the Jill, the sugar out the sugarcake and the white off the rice…and they wouldn’t flinch…That thing called a conscience died a tragic death a long time ago.
The security guards should feel the full force of the law and then some. Their particular job was to prevent the very thing they confessed to. They need to bring back the cat-o-nine tails for these thieves…make them an example.
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james
on September 22nd, 2008 9:32 amListen buddy tek the $2M they offering you and RUN. Because they will give the police $1M and 5 months after the case jacket lost and story dismiss.
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kpeter
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 9:36 am:James, my thoughts exactly.
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Evadne
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 11:23 am:The way things are going ,that sounds about right. how ironic, he will pay him off with his own money, so sad. and to make things worse if he does not take it he would come up even more short in the longrun.
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kpeter
on September 22nd, 2008 9:34 amThis story truely reveals the quandry of the working class in Guyana.
The six items cost 7,000 dollars and the guard’s pay is 8,000 per week,I am not encouraging stealing but this situation certainly shows plite of the people.
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EVILEYES
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 11:20 am:wut plite of ppl u talkin bout? ever heard of getting another job…… a high paying job–they are nothing but thieves coz this is how to get by in life anywhere they go or anywhere they are hired to work…they still have 1,000 lef after dem belly full…ask how many people right there in de US how much dem does lef wid when dem done pay rent-bills and buy food….come again….
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myinput
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 10:56 am:Evileyes … one question
WILL YOU GO BACK TO GUYANA NOW TO LIVE AND WORK FOR A SALARY LIKE THAT?????
evileyes
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 7:53 pm:my input:::Sure I will go back to Guyana and work and live there but will you go with me?We can negotiate something with the employer so we can have decent wages….let me know when you ready…
Tygo
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 12:00 pm:Hehehe, that was funny.. I bet you can buy a scooter with your salary per week. Hehe, and this man more smart than you because he took he weekly pay plus some groceries from he bossman suh he don’t have to buy for the week. Hehehe…
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tiger
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 2:09 pm:i disagree my friend read the story very carefully again and you will have a different opion.
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bing
on September 22nd, 2008 9:47 amNot only is the police that can’t be trusted. You can’t even trust the security guards in guyana. what a shame my beloved homeland guyana.
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EVILEYES
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 12:57 pm:wat beloved home?yuh live in trini..dat is yuh beloved home.not guyana..like dat dont happen in trini….kidnappin the rich and the not so rich sound a bell?
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Love4all
on September 22nd, 2008 9:48 amHa ha ha! What a laughable story! But big mistake boy ‘yuh caan tief an keep d loot, yuh gat to get rid ah d loot! ‘One man’s happiness is another man’s sorrow’. Look at that, the thief becoming richer (1, 1 dutty does build dam) right before the eyes of the ‘rich’ businessman and making the businessman poorer at the same time. However, you were caught in the act my friend. Makes me wonder, how many others were there before and with you? Shame on you Security, your employer entrusted you with confidence! Would be interesting to hear your defence.
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Myinput
on September 22nd, 2008 10:01 amOk my turn from a Social Worker perspective.
Is $8,000.00 a week enough to take care of those two families? Did the employer take into consideration the family composition and cost of living before he calculated their wages? What about them putting their lives at risk by guarding his business? I am pretty sure if they were killed on duty, their family would not receive 2M each. I am not condoning them stealing. It’s wrong! I think the employer should have had a chat with both of them and yes call in the police but be discreet about it. The present state of Guyana is that the rich will live and the poor will starve to death. It’s a very sad situation. I actually feel sorry that they were exposed like this.
What about the government officials that supposedly took money to build houses at Ogle. I never heard about an investigation of that or anyone being embarrassed publicly.
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EVILEYES
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 11:29 am:MYinput::::Do they really do the same for you here in Canada? Are you trying to tell people that employers in Canada take what you say into consideration? Tell that to the people who have to apply through an agency to get a job here in Canada..Tell that to McDonalds and Wall Mart…And then tell the people how much poverty there are in this Country called Canada….And hear this:::::If you are starving and hungry why go make a family?? They are thieves and thats all there is to it….
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Myinput
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 12:18 pm:Guyana does not have as much resources as we do here in Canada. People in Guyana are far underpaid than those in Canada. I worked at Omai for $700.00CDN a month which was enough at the time. They took into consideration the cost of living. They are far more slave labour in Guyana than there is in Canada. Don’t dare to compare.
John Smith
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 1:20 pm:Evileyes, they are criminals (they commited a crime, right?), they could have run their boss and his family so broke and bankarupt, they might have died from starvation. Do you think the prison officers should be unleached on them with boiling oil and sticks? They were wrong, dead wrong to steal from their employer. That is called biting the hands that feed you. I hope the LAW deal with them (not Evileyes’ law).
I agree with you for the second time since you started your shock and awe, find a better paying job if you are not satisfied.
The man started a business(most likely from selling groceries fom his boss) but he was still ‘proping up’ his bed with milk cans. This is plain greed. This is irony upon irony. Put a cat a watch milk (Fernleaf and Milex). He compensate you with your own money.
Tygo
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 12:03 pm:Hehe, in this case the poor getting richer and the rich getting poorer. Hehehehe…
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MACK
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 1:42 pm:In reply to Myinput. I was in Guyana recently, and needed labor rates and according to the the labor Department, the salary paid to the watchman was in compliance. You have to compare apples with apples
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EVILEYES
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 3:02 pm:Arent we talking about thieves here?So you were highly underpaid at OMai….Did you thief to support your family then?Yea you right …dont compare Canada to Guyana…and if you take it on a ratio basis then Canada is a bigger slave master than Guyana could be…Go figure it out and tell those who dont know you are comparing 34 million people to a measly 750 thousand. more than 70% of the people here live from pay check to pay check…and cant afford the luxuries of life…you want people to think its a bed of roses here…you work for it you are taxed…you save it you are taxed…you spend it you are taxed…now go compare..and talk with those who dont know…….
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myinput
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 10:52 am:Evileyes I am not saying that Canada is a bed of roses. It’s far from that as do a lot on countries including Guyana. Who in Guyana is being paid accordingly except for some public ministers?
Do you honestly believe 32, 000 a month can pay for electricity, food, clothing, water, mortgage etc.
I am not condoning thieving I am looking at the broader picture!!
gtbeat
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 3:21 pm:Absolute hogwash, with your kind of reasoning you employer needs keep an eye on you, better yet 24hour surveillance cameras.
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james
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 3:38 pm:thanks for that advise, I never knew that I could talk about my family situation when negiotating a job offer.
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Suzette Wickham
on September 22nd, 2008 10:31 amIt is so sad to know that the security guards were caught and that they actually had to be stealing. This is to show that their pay was small and that they were also discontented with same. This is just what happened to a couple of them. What about those who are still out there doing same. You should learn from this and stop because—” moon ah run till day ketch ham”. Be careful and remember that GOD forbids stealing.
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zainno
on September 22nd, 2008 10:40 amHo! Ho! Hold up you guys. You’ll seems to misunderstand the whole security thing. The man is not a security guard,even though the story say so. The man is really a watchman. He was watching to see what he could take from the businessman.
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amen-ra
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 12:48 pm:lol you guys hilarious, it always amaze me with our gt people we some good comedians when we want to.
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briantee
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 5:18 pm:Zainno man you are funny. Liten we all are Guyanese and we dont condone stealing. Period.
anybody know wnat happen to Optimistic Pessimist?
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leisalle
on September 22nd, 2008 10:45 amthats terrible when life is so hard in guyana one has to steal food stuff.. as i noticed milk, curry powder and drinks.. they look like they were stealing for their families. its still bad though cause stealing is stealing no matter what so i hope the punishment is not as severe as the crime.
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gtbeat
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 5:29 pm:Are you insane!!!?, these people were’nt eating this stuff,they are not starving, they were selling it and the proceeds they started their own business, this is pure and simple criminal behavior.
So don’t make it out to be anything other than that.
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zai
on September 22nd, 2008 10:59 amOh yea, Stabroek News, even if i do not want to reply, or need to, may I ask why am so exposed to offer my comments.- please take me off the list. if i need to comment I will do so at my own leisure and pleasure. sincerely,
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Arnold
on September 22nd, 2008 11:01 amMost workers are underpaid, except the “Top Eclons”, but that does not justify to steal from your employers.
A great lot of Businessmen, robs the Government when they does not give a receipt, because all prices have V.A.T. Included.
When the owner does not want to Settle the Matter surely his losses is substancial. Mr Watchmen!!!.
Shut you mouth, you goin to JAIL……
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What a place
on September 22nd, 2008 11:22 amHe refused to hire a real qualified business manager and paid the price.
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tweetybird
on September 22nd, 2008 11:25 amthe guys saw an oppurtunity to steal and they did it,guess they were trying to open their own supermarket,and god do bless everybody.
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michael tannassee
on September 22nd, 2008 11:30 amIf ,,, i were to address this ,, with a socio - economic thread ,, it would be lenghty ,, for which i have not got the time ,, to tell the govt how to manage the peoples affairs ,, if they fail to see the “disorder” then ,, the people will have to decide ,, in
2011,,, just remeber to keep the pnc out of any tent — big or small — but in fairness to the PPP govt headed by the President ,, the nation ,, both in and out of GY ,, — so many of us ,, outside ,, we are a nation unto ourself — must not forget those who are engaged “mindlessness ” were taught and,, is,, teaching their progeny to carry on the legacy of de “paramount party people’s dictator KING KONG,,,,, ooops ! kabaka,,,,,, — GOD bless the name of our martyr and brother
Dr. WRODNEY –,,,,,,
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cochore
on September 22nd, 2008 11:36 amI know of a big time white collar thief from G/town, who left Guyana for the USA through his back door while the Guyana Cops were literally knocking at his front door. Oh yea this is a true story and if I say too much more everybody in Guyana would know who I’m talking about.
Some years later, that same Guyanese dude was escorted, by the FBI in handcuffs, from behind his desk at the company where he worked here in the USA. He is now doing time in Federal prison and yes it appears that Guyana was his training ground. Today I’m sure his family is wondering ’some training’…huh?
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What a place
on September 22nd, 2008 11:57 amWhen you pay a poor man GT $8,000 to risk his life for your Millions what you think the results will be?
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zainno
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 3:39 pm:No one ask /force him to do this job. My guess is that he took his job voluntarily. It is what he choose to do.He could have found another job if he think the pay was too littie or the risk is too much.
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guyanesestarfish
on September 22nd, 2008 11:58 ami lose respect for ppl who steal, but with $ 8000 a week that equals to $ 1143 a day, lets say he rides to work, $200 for the average daily bills, give his kids $ 100 to go to school, skip breakfast, spend $620 for lunch and drink, he is left with $ 223 so his family eats grass for dinner.
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Myinput
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 12:22 pm:My point exactly. Thank YOU!!
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EVILEYES
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 1:05 pm:he could eat rope and soap too and still lef wid a little change fuh buy pepsi or coke to wash om down….how come you surving and not thiefing right there in guyana…like we all didnt come from guyana….or if yuh making big bucks in guyana then go look fuh this watchman pickney and feed dem coz he ah guh jail now….
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Tygo
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 3:18 pm:They don’t buy KFC for dinner like you. They cook, so thr 223 leff back is for the piggy bank or mattress bank.
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guyanesestarfish
on September 22nd, 2008 12:08 pmi lose respect for ppl who steal, but with $ 8000 a week that equals to $ 1143 a day, lets say he rides to work, $200 for the average daily bills, give his kids $ 100 to go to school, skip breakfast, spend $620 for lunch and drink, he is left with $ 223 so his family will have to eat grass for dinner.
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Countryman_eh
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 9:11 am:So go look another Job where he can make $2M a year, so he can eat Lobster all year round
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shyboilex
on September 22nd, 2008 12:25 pmIts totally wrong to steal < but have we consider if he is being pay well by his employer
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tiger
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 2:25 pm:it says in the bible that you should be contented with your wages, and if you were not then i would suggest you find another job where you think you would be contented.
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sagga
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 2:43 pm:If he is not being paid well, Just leave the job that does not give you a licence to theif . And from the amount that he was taking home he probably had retirement on his mind looks like he was planning on opening his own business and he had to be doing that before the expiration dates of these items become due.So he was planning on retiring from the security business soon,as for the boss when you have business it is always better to keep it professional that means dont employ friends and family.
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EVILEYES
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 3:09 pm:he and all of them know what the wages are way in advance….so wages is a no brainer for startes..a thief is a thief is thief and nothing but a thief….he should be made to eat-drink-swallow or insert all he stole for his crime……like we so stupid he didnt know his wages in advance…he needed a watchman to watchman he and you would have seen how quick he leff dat job…..ehehehehehehe
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UltimateW
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 11:02 pm:ha ha ha ! I’m loving this one Evil Eyes . You really on a roll !
BIRDMAN
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 5:42 pm:Does it mean if he is not not being paid well , he must steal.?
I think if he is not paid well he should leave, find another job.That’s how it goes.
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Love4all
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 10:10 am:Even though he was not well paid. For all that its worth you can say he was well paid and rewarded with the millions he stole!
freespeech
on September 22nd, 2008 1:40 pmtalking about thieves i know a guyanese steeling bearings, he had so much that his floor board collapsed into the basement.
car thieves another story.
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SASS
on September 22nd, 2008 1:42 pmHilarious ur comments. And deh seh guyana ain got comedians. I cannot stop laughing. My eyes running water, how i laughing so hard. yall really funny yeh.
These men smart suh till deh stupid. Wha? Build house, buy car and truck and doing business. Lol. I bet he doing more business than he employer.
Dont get me wrong. THIEFING IS WRONG.
But these men smart, deh thief lil bit lil bit every day, but then deh stupid cuz deh left de thiefing goods in deh house. tut tut tut.
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BIRDMAN
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 5:45 pm:you like me bai, I cant stop laughing.
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Forbes Moore
on September 22nd, 2008 2:04 pmYou guys are funny. I needed a good old guyanese laugh and you guys made my day. I don’t know which side to take anymore. Let’s form a Monday leisure club. You guys are great. me belly a hut me wid laugh till now.
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NATALIE
on September 22nd, 2008 2:37 pmThe old saying say “Everyday bucket aA Go well on day he bottom must bore”
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James
on September 22nd, 2008 3:08 pm.I think businesspeople in Guyana have to start managing their business properly by investing in a POS system and start doing proper monthly inventory. In that way you are sure to know if you are missing inventory. If you are loosing it is time to change your system. You can’t wait until after two years to realize that things are going out the back door and you don’t know.
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Faceboy
on September 22nd, 2008 3:19 pmBased on the Holy Bible Princepal,Stealing period, is wrong with a capital ‘W’. not only did these two men sinned but they broke the law of the land {Guyana} It’s a fact that we have a lot of theives behind dest that need to be caught too. The government two months ago interduced polograph testing for some employees of the Custom’s Anti Narcotics Unit and based on the result of those tests a number of persons were dismissed. If you ask me, I’ll say it’s one good way to help rid soceity of corrupt officials. Let’s now take this polograph testing to the Police Force and see what happen there and then on to the Hospitals, Schools and other government offices eg: DPP, GPO, Housing etc including both OPs. After we would have caught the White Collar Criminals then we’ll go after the small man in the street. Let us not stop at CANU, let us continue with all government employees. {The Ministers and their close associates} We’ll set examples with those at the top and let those at the bottom follow. In conculsion, these two individuals should fact the full extent of the law for their actions.
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Therese
on September 22nd, 2008 3:21 pmThose without sin cast the first stone!!!!! Yes this man has done a really bad thing by stealing from his employer he will pay the consiquences for his actions but I wonder how many of you never ‘tief’ in ya’ll life, hmm! and get away with it. Stop the judgement and condemnation, who ya’ll think ya’ll is to pronounce judgement as to the penalty this man should get. Betta check ya’ll self….
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OWEN KHAN
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 5:02 am:I know a lot of successful people, who never thief. You have the wrong Idea Therese. I hope you dont teach your children what you preach.? Honesty starts at home. It’s not yours, it’s someone else’s. Let us teach our children that this kind of thing is not correct.Stop watching the boss, stop counting the boss money and do your work.That’s a common problem with employees , instead of doing your job well, you spend all day COUNTING HOW MUCH MONEY THE BOSS MAKES.
You dont count Rent, Insurance, Taxes, Telephone & electric , ,transportation,etc. etc. etc. You dont know about the many nights he sit up thinking how he’s going to get money to pay all his bills. Not to mention The THIEFMAN STEALING HIS INVENTORY. You see you only look at the money dats coming it, You are not a business person, you dont know about what it takes to run a business,you dont know about the headaches in business, My suggestion is TEACH YOUR CHILDREN NOT TO STEAL,; and they will become better men and women in this world.Maybe they too will become successful businessmen and women.THERESA the best of us , and most of us who are very successful did not steal.So once again lets teach the young ones that stealing is not RIGHT. Someone bigger than the boss is watching, and you’re paying for it right now in your daily struggle with life.
p.s. SN I like your comments section. They bring people of all walks, life, and race together., and we can learn a lot from each other. Thanks.
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Faceboy
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 8:19 am:I’m sure if it were you that had suffered this lost, you would have wanted justice to prevail. Only who feel it know it. The employer is poor too and yet shared what he have with them by providing them with jobs and other gifts. Make them examples.
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OWEN KHAN
on September 22nd, 2008 4:31 pmThis has to be the article , that has the funniest comments. No it is not right to steal, if you steal and get caught, it’s not ow me God give he a break. He get caught , let him deal with the consequences. God bless the man who pays wages. If you dont like the pay, or you think the boss too cheap, LEAVE THE JOB.
Go look for another one that pays you better. Instead of encouraging them to steal, let them try and better themselves, read, go to night school, take some kind of trade, dont thief the boss stuff to open you own store.And even if you took a little bit and did’nt get caught, you see , you keep getting more brave and continue to steal more and more., the boss take off he own shirt and pants, and give you, he give you things for your families, every week you get a care package. When you want to borrow, who do you ask,? THE BANK?When yu son or daughter get married, who help you?, Yu MUMA, or yu Dadi. No Me the bass help you. When you family got to go to the doctor, who help yu?, Me the Bass.
When I kill a goat, dont you get meat.? Who buy yu toys for you children, It’s me the Bossman. When yu got problem, who yu does go to, is it not you ,who come to me to lend an ear, or support, .Am I only your Boss? or am I not your friend?.
If I eating my roti, dont I break half and give you? Now that is a good Guyanese Boss,and dont matter what , all a we cant be BOSS. Dont you see the ship only got I captain?Come on I cant ask the police to give you a break, You going to jail.
That is not eye pass, that is Ra– pass.Dont thief, they have some very good bosses, who treat workers like family. No relation to the store owner.Just my two cents. You see if the bass dont take this serious, everybody will want to work for this not so serious boss. Got to make you an example, in order to drive some fear
in the other guards. AMEN. I rest my case. NEXT.
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Faceboy
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 7:40 pm:Thank you Mr: Khan, well said. My only hope now is that Mr: Therese read your responce to his misguided comments. We were’nt passing the sentances on these two cons because we’ll leave that for the courts to do, however, we were condeming their action. We all stole at some time or the other, what? A G/T $1000.00 worth but these two crooks stole 3.3 million dollars from the man who employed them and treated them like family. This man {employer} too is trying very hard and honestly to make ends meet for his family. Bearing in mind that one of the theives opened his own business, bought two vehicles completed his home and even managed to save some two millions dollars which he now wants to return to have the matter settle. Their jobs were to protect, not rob.
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owen khan
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 11:09 am:You know , We have a two fold situation here. OK so they stole, large amounts for a very long time, so much so that they even got a lot of inventory in their homes. That is not all they stole, they sell and disposed a lot of THE MERCHANDISE. Lets ask ourselves a question, stilling condemming what the guards did, WHY DID IT TAKE THE BOSS SO LONG TO REALISE THAT he is missing stuff??? You know what, what goes around comes around, He must have been buying and dealing in contraband( INVENTORY THAT’S NOT HIS).But I dont know this for sure, and SUSPICION IS THE BLACKEST LIE. I’m only giving a heads up.
An honest boss would have catch him a long long time ago.I have been a businessman for 50 years of my life, both in Guyana, and Manhattan, selling millions of US dollars a year. In New York I have had all kind of people, for all over the world working for me, and some of them “DE HAND FASS”, and some of them are honest to the bone. The biggest thief I had was a Guyanese named
E—-, I took him to my big house in LOng Island, lent him my truck, gave him a whole master bedroom suite(TOP OF THE LINE), because one of the guys hinted to me that he had no furniture, and his wife got a baby, and they were sleeping on the floor. You know what He was the biggest thief, and I personally caught him, He’s is now in Jail, not for stealing my stuff, I let him go. He was a coolieman just like me,( I did’nt let him go because he was like me, I never got any one arrested, any race , for stealing or shoplifting, I always say go home , dont come back, or dont let me see you in this store again, now he R— de in jail, not for stealing, something biggerThe ones that steal did not do much in life for themselves, the innocent ones, are are all doing good. Yes I’m am in touch with all of the Local ones that worked for me.My prayers for them are answered. May god bless them, and fill their pockets. Buy the way the only job I ever had was on the Sugar Estate as a clerk for 6.00 a week in 1955.That is now
3 us cents. From a butcher, slaughterer, a photographer, to one of the largest
business man in my field,. in the largest city of the world. I condemn stealing.
God give us a brain to use, I had to leave High School to go to work. Some of us had a hard life, working 365 days a year 16 hours a day.
Believe me you got thieves on both side of the fence; but the boss will always be the boss; and like I said previously “DONT WATCH THE BOSS< AND HOW MUCH MONEY HE”S MAKING ETC>
Buy the way , I did steal among other fruits MANGOES in Bagotstown, where I grew up. God has blessed me. And I am grateful to HIM/HER. More businessmen should learn that it’s the people who put them where they are and GIVE BACK to the community. Owen Khan, Fld.
bing
on September 22nd, 2008 7:08 pmyeah evileyes i am a guyanese born canadian living in trindad. Just like you with a maple leaf flag after your name.
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Debbie
on September 22nd, 2008 8:28 pmReading this story and some of the comments, I realised I am thankful for “conscience.”
Today I took my daughter shopping, she choose a blazer, a braclet and a pair of earrings. After paying and on our way to the car she commented that was not so expensive. At this point I checked the bill to see the sale prices of the items we purchased. What do you know, the cashier did not ring in the cost of the blazer.
Immediatedly we turned around to go back into the store to speak to the cashier. After explaining to her that she did not charge for the blazer she thanked us and said it was wonderful to see us returing to pay for the item.
This story could have gone two ways…. I could have said it my lucky day and we got a free blazer. We could have said it’s the cashier’s fault for not ringing in the blazer and let her pay for it.
My point is, we have an obligation to teach and show by example how to be moral and responsible in this society. We can’t take at our own free will that which does not belong to us. We owe loyalty to those that employ us and pay us a wage for services rendered. What sort of valules do we teach our children if we steal from others so we can live in a big fancy house with a nice car and expensive furniture.
Shame and disgrace to the two guards that stole from their employer and thought it was the right thing to do. Shame on their familes that lived so freely off of the stolen loot.
Payback is a bitch as we often hear, reguardless if it’s here, or as religious zealots say, in heaven.
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EVILEYES
In reply to the above comment on September 22nd, 2008 11:26 pm:Well said Deb:::It happend me at the bank…Money in my account that did not belong to me…I didnt deposit that amount into my account…I told the manager its not mine…It was a clear mistake on the bank’s part…I know some people would have gone on a shopping spree…..They wont care that it was the bank teller who would have had to repay that money…..They can cry holler and bawl all they want about being underpaid….it does not give them the right to thief…Some security people take these jobs just to steal..Like some police officers take the job for perks…Pay back is indeed a bitch…..I hope they get their just justice for the crimes theycomitted….JAIL::::::
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Debbie
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 7:27 pm:Thanks EVILEYES , I guess honesty is a dying quality in us human beings……. pity, it gives such a rush…. the good kind, you know.
OWEN KHAN
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 4:22 am:Thank you Debbie. Your kind act helps to keep the price down. Instead of up.
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Debbie
In reply to the above comment on September 23rd, 2008 7:28 pm:Thank You, OWEN KHAN………. my parents thanks you as well……. I learnt it all from them.
BIG D
on September 22nd, 2008 8:50 pmTherese I respect your view,but this is not a matter of casting Judgement this is an extra-ordinary matter,you will agree.If you work on the sugar estate,you steal some sugar,but this watch-man was involved in a wholesale business.What sentence will you give him,if you were a magistrate,or Judge.I can bet that you will dismiss the case.I read that he offered to pay the businessman,which shows that he is a man with money.Some of us speak of low wages,but if