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Police harassment turned ‘Fineman’ into criminal – uncle says

An uncle of the notorious Rondell `Fineman’ Rawlins who was gunned down during a standoff with lawmen in the Kuru Kururu area last week said yesterday that it was the police and their constant harassment that turned him into a criminal as he previously had a bright future ahead of him.

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Linden Archibald, during an interview with the media yesterday, said Rawlins had been a thriving upholsterer in Agricola often attended church but it was the police who changed him.

At the time of the interview, Archibald was at the Georgetown Hospital Mortuary along with other relatives of Rawlins, Jermaine `Skinny’ Charles and Seon Grant, who were killed last Thursday. The post-mortem examinations were conducted yesterday.

Visibly upset, the man said it was the police who turned his nephew into a criminal. According to him, Rawlins at one time had a “good and kind heart”.

“This boy use to do upholstery work in Agricola. But it is a frame charge they put him on and turn him into a criminal,” he said adding that several years ago he had taken it upon himself to go to Commissioner of Police (ag) Henry Greene who was then a Commander to complain about the police harassment of Rawlins, but to no avail.

Archibald expressed his disgust that Rawlins name was linked to every crime that occurred in the country.
“Every time somebody dead, they find a bullet that ‘Fineman’ had that kill that person,” he added.

Heavy police
presence

Meanwhile Archibald said there was heavy police presence when he arrived at the morgue around 6.25 am. He said that he was being taken to see his nephew’s remains when he was told that he had to wait until the PM was completed.

Archibald said when he enquired the reason for the police presence, he was told it was for security reasons.

“The police protecting him because they apparently feel that this dead man will get up and run away.”
Shortly after 10 am, the wrapped bodies of Charles and Grant, were placed in a waiting hearse, which later drove off closely followed by heavily armed policemen.

Relatives of Charles were openly voicing their disapproval at not being allowed to see his body. “He don dead man. Why police got to deh behind he like that?”, a relative asked.

About 15 minutes later, the body of Rawlins was brought out and his relatives requested that his face be shown; they questioned why his face was so heavily wrapped.

A woman who was standing nearby was openly wailing, “Ow ma God they kill ma lil brother”. Relatives were told that if they wanted to see the bodies they had to go to the Lyken’s Funeral Home.

A police jeep with two heavily armed policemen sitting at the back, trailed the hearse transporting Rawlins’ remains as it left the compound.

Early Thursday morning, acting on a tip-off, teams from the Joint Services Operation Group and the Guyana Defence Force Special Force along with members of the Special Forces proceeded to an area in Timehri about 500 metres east of the GDF ammunition dump. There, the lawmen said, they came under fire from shooters in an identifiable house. They returned fire and saw three men running from the house. When they descended on the scene they found the body of a man who was rushed to the Georgetown Public Hospital (GPH) where he was pronounced dead on arrival. The man was identified as Grant.

The two men who had fled ended up in Kuru Kururu at a place villagers call Kakabura at a small unfinished concrete structure. There was an exchange of gunfire around 12.45 pm in which two men, later identified as Rawlins and Charles were killed.

Sources have since told Stabroek News that Rawlins and Charles might have suspected that Grant had informed the joint services about their movements and killed him hours before they were cut down in a hail of bullets.

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79 Responses to “Police harassment turned ‘Fineman’ into criminal – uncle says”

Travis Kyte
on September 2nd, 2008 6:49 am

Fineman was never an upholster in Agricola. Going to church yes,because we all went to the same church. However, he comitted his first robbery at about age 16 when he robbed a woman who had lived in Mc Doom fifteen thousand dollars using a cutlass after he loosed money in a gamble. His elder brother called Chubby was a known trunker. When last i heard he was serving time in Cayenne. Skinny and Sonny were always considered to be thieves in the area from a very early age because their mothers especially in the case of Sonny encouraged their activities. Fineman mother was a seamstress in the area and his father was a member of the Guyana National Service ( a very quiet man who never get into anyones way). Maybe fineman choose kuru kuru because his other some relatives there.

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torbo
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 11:23 am:
travis you know alot why you did not inform the police about what you know of this
men, only now you saying something SHAME ON YOU , SHAME ON YOU

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Travis Kyte
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 12:07 pm:
You seemed not to have read any of my comments yesterday. I have a whole host of relatives who lives in Agricola. Do you have any idea what would have happen to them had if word had gotten out that i was giving information on fineman and his gang. Can you honestly trust the police in these times? Guyana is not America where both you and I live Turbo. America has systems in place for collecting iformation from the public unlike Guyana.

freetorun
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 6:46 pm:
shame on you to deny and accept the truth.

shaun calder (IBGT4eva)
In reply to the above comment on September 6th, 2008 12:35 am:
The info detail that travis disclosed, simply to refers to the origin of fineman deliquent behavior. His story is backed up by his knowledge of fineman close family members and his wheres about at that time. This the fineman at 16 yrs old.
Now at this present time you [torbo]are ushering shame at Travis for not disclosing this info to the police…lets assume he had what good this info of a 16 yrs old can do to help the police at this time[so many yrs after]? The reply to travis comments is baseless.

Sharma M
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 5:24 pm:
Travis Kyte i dont know if you do not proof read your information. Anyway i am glad that you came out of Agricola a good fine young man. I would not beleive that his uncle will tell a out right lie.

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Sharma M
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 5:33 pm:
Travis it is not nice to blame someone parent but the child itself. I am quite sure that they are relative in your circle that has problem would you blame a aunt or a uncle a cousin a sister or a father. Please blame skinny for his action if he is guilty

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decanadianCarlVeecock
on September 2nd, 2008 7:29 am

Is this surprising to my family of commenters ?

Nothing new IMHO

One of the reasons why the police do not have the trust of the people.

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Roger
on September 2nd, 2008 7:59 am

Jail these so called relative of fineman and skinny. Why we did not hear from them when these killers were alive? If fineman had continued in church as this uncle stated, I am sure he would have been a better person even under percution. They should all be charged!!!

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Chemist
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 2:55 pm:
You should also be charged, your name is Roger, and Roger was a wanted man. Having a family member who is a criminal does not make you a criminal. I would not like to be held for my brother’s or neighbour’s actions, would you? I am sure the police knew these family members existed before now.

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roula
on September 2nd, 2008 8:05 am

You should tell your nephew to gave himself in custody since then. And police harassment should not turn one into a bandits because police in a third countries believe that they are above the law.
As a parent you should always tell your kids to respect the police because they have gun and you dont have one, and even if you have one you have no authority to shoot at any innocent person.
The blood cried before God and He answered.
kind of RIP!

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optimistic pessimist
on September 2nd, 2008 8:24 am

This makes no sense to me. Are there not other bandits/bad guys out there for the GPF to be looking for? Why this vulgar display of heavy police presence at the parlor and following the hearse?

This action by the GPF reminds me of proud hunters queuing up and posing behind or next to a prized catch. You know, gun on arm and smiling broadly next to a magnificent grizzly bear or a majestic lion or perhaps a thirty pound Sea Bass.

Is this circus really necessary? What are they afraid of? Do they expect that in a Lazarusesque manner, either Fineman or Skinny is going to be given the verbal command to, “Come Forth!” Or maybe Guyana Finest is thinking that Skinny is going to repeat his singularly inhuman feat of escaping through a hole in the prison the size of which no human being had hither fore attempted or accomplished?

Fineman and Skinny are dead! Go and look for the others and hopefully apprehend them ALIVE this time so that you can extract information from them. Stop the juvenile show of bravado parading behind two stone dead bodies. No other professional Police Force in the world would still be guarding two dead bodies and following hearses around. Do yourself proud and act professional… please!

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colt45
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 11:07 am:
You seem to forget or is ignorant of the fiasco that occur whenever one of these bandits [or so called freedom fighters] funeral take place, or perhaps you were never caught up in one. I was coming back to the US a few years ago when they had the funeral for Blackie. The “mourners” caused all buses that had 63 on them to wait for night to fall before they can proceed to the airport. I was fortunate to fall behind a police riot squad vehicle to pass through Buxton then. So in answer to your question of heavy police presence, if you have common sense, go figure.

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optimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 12:06 pm:
You did not address the issue which remains… with other gang members out there, why is the GPF parading behind two dead men’s hearse to the morgue and after his arrival there, heavy police presence outside.

The men just died, that had not been released to the family as yet, PM in progress and yet heavy police presence…. what were they doing? Guarding the kill? Against who?

One would expect a couple of officers to be around but was a show of force necessary? You went on at length about the funeral possession and it’s attendant difficulties… hello… we are not there as yet! If experience dictates aggressive crowd control at these high profile funerals then by all means let the GPF provide it.

Thou almost persuadest me to bestow upon you the coveted Einstein Award!

ah806
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 2:35 pm:
Seriously, I think the reporting is poor. You have “Heavy Police Presence” but only mentioned 2 policemen in a jeep. You (reporter) didn’t even try to conform his story from someone else. Next time try a more investigative approach rather than sensationalizing the story.

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colt45
on September 2nd, 2008 9:15 am

Next we gon hear that he was a god fearing son. No surprise that we see comments of this sort. Ever so often when someone is shot by the police, even here in the US, the family paint the victim as a pillar of society.

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yasuman71
on September 2nd, 2008 10:02 am

Everyone has free will to choose his own path in life. If the police were responsible for turning Fineman into a violent man, why did he allegedly kill innocent Sash Sawh and his siblings, the Lusignan Eleven and the Bartica Twelve? They were not policemen. Making the police force into a scapegoat will solve nothing. People in the underworld have a contrary view of the real world.

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torbo
on September 2nd, 2008 10:04 am

LIKE I SAID BEFORE THE GUYANA POLICE FORCE HAVE TO ADOPT A
MODERN APPROACH TO GETTING INFORMATION FROM SUSPECTS
TORTURING WILL NOT HELP IT WILL TURN THESE PEOPLE INTO
MONSTERS, IS ONLY SO MUCH A HUMAN BEING COULD TAKE BEFORE
BREAKING ..

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Who knows?
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 4:45 pm:
If even a dog can have a decent burial, why shouldn’t they? If they were your son, brother, cousin, you wouldn’t feel the same. I sympathize with the victims, believe me i do but judge not lest you be judged. To his mother, he is still the little boy she brought home from the hospital, to his sister, he is still the brother that protected her and to his cousin, he is still the family member that made him or her laught. Should they just forget that he is their family? He is dead. His family has a right to bury him as they see fit. Who are you to judge, GOd will judge him. His family has a right to say goodbye however they see fit.

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SOESDYKE
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 6:33 pm:
I could not have said it better. Only the shell is here so let them have closure. For we all know his soul will have answer to GOD.

torbo
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 7:18 pm:
who knows, is this comment referring to me ??

torbo
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 8:10 pm:
WHO KNOWS ?
to which comment are you referring to??
mackydog
on September 2nd, 2008 10:32 am

Yeah, and I am Jesus Christ the carpenter, “Fineman”, was the upholsterer in good standing…
Why the family wailing and grieving now he dead? How many families does Rondell “Fineman” Rawlins have wailing till now?

I recommend and expect that ON BEHALF OF THE MANY FAMILIES OF THE BARTICA AND LUSIGNAN MASSACRES AND OTHERS WHO DIED BECAUSE OF FINEMAN AND SKINNY…
THE GOVERNMENT TAKE OVER THE BODIES AND FUNERAL ARRANGEMENTS OF THESE TWO MEN AND DISPOSE OF THEM WITHOUT DISCLOSURE OF WHEN OR WHERE IS THEIR BURIAL OR SITE.

On the other hand (if the family does get custody of the bodies for a burial) the police should regulate the procession by banning any big music show that is usual at these funerals as in the past.

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optimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 12:22 pm:
mackydog, have you ever heard the expression, “Temper justice with mercy” The men are dead. They paid the ultimate price for their lifestyle. Why are you advocating such harsh measures now after the men have already been killed? They can only be killed once, not over and over again.

Obviously you are advocating that their family, who are also more than likely grieving now as well, be denied the opportunity to bury their dead? Stop this heartlessness; let the family bury their dead.

Don’t forget that Guyana is supposed to be a modern democracy and neither of these two men has been convicted in a court of law of the multiplicity of charges that have been ascribed to them.

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mackydog
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 4:57 pm:
optimist,
does ANYONE know where Adolph Hitler and the likes is buried?
NO.
The reason for that is because the world would not like anyone idolising him.
Well it’s the same with Fineman and Skinny, the Opposition PNCR described these men as “freedom fighters” in the past, do you think it would be wise to have other young men see these monsters as one they can idolise?
I say dispose of the bodies the way I mentioned before so there won’t be any idols to crime and also for young upcoming criminals to see that after a life of crime, you would never be a “has been” but totally forgotten so they won’t try crime.
I also maintain (since I’m at it) that the government should amend the laws to start the “three strikes you’re out” sentence. Anyone having to do jail two times before, the third time he automatically spends the rest of his miserable life permanently in jail. Let’s see how many people will commit crime wantonly like today.
We do not need any career criminals in Guyana. CRIME HAS TO STOP.

torbo
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 7:24 pm:
do you have proof that the PNCR refer to these men as freedom fighters, where
do you guys get these ridiculous quotes from??

bull
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 7:50 am:
mackydog I do not know who is your god but a life is a life. before you try to crucify me.I am not saying that what “fineman and Skinny did what dey sah he did was wright. However you could choose your friends but you cannot choose you family there is noting you can do to change who is your mother or your dad. like wise your sisters and brothers if you have any. Try to understand dat these ppl have feelings for their own just like the ppl in Bartica and Lusignan. if my brother died even if I disown Him In my heart I would still feel for him. regaurdless IF he was shot by a criminals or by the police. NOw How come you do not have these type of response when it comes to Roger Khan case. ( he is aquesed of being the leader of a gang that kill more than 200 men) Ah waiting fuh you it starting soon.

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FISHERMAN
on September 2nd, 2008 11:24 am

MACK DOG YOU THINK THEY CANT DO THAT ,GUYANA AS LAW ,TO MY KNOWING ONLY MENS ON DEAD ROW DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT,S THAT WHEN THE STATE HANG YOU, THEY PUT U IN AN UNMARK GRAVE,MACK DOG SEEM YOU FINE THESE MENS GUILTY ,AN U THE JUDGE AN JURY,WAS YOU WITH FINE MAN GANG WHEN THE KILLING WAS GOING ON THEN IF SO THE POLICE SHOULD GET YOU ,I DO NOT SEE NO USE FOR THE POLICE TO BE GUARDING THE DEAD MAN BODY THEY HAVE MORE GANG MEMBERS TO GO AFTER SO LEAVE THE DEAD MANS BODY AN GET ON WITH THE JOB AN GET THE REST .

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colt45
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 12:11 pm:
Fisherman, you seem to forget the little kids of Lusignan who this monster shot in cold blood. Where were you then and why were you not SHOUTING for their rights.I say keep the police guard on the body and if their cohorts show up, get them and lock them up. The police need to keep a presence around the body so that the funeral does not turn into the “freedom fighters” funerals and parades of the past with processions blocking the road, innocent travellers harassed and delayed, and Guyana Flag being draped over the coffins.

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optimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 1:20 pm:
colt45, have you personally convicted these two men of these crimes? Have you led evidence in a court of law showing without a shadow of a doubt that both of these men committed ALL the crimes that have been attributed to them?

QUOTE: “I say keep the police guard on the body and if their cohorts show up, get them and lock them up.”

Two things are wrong about this quote of yours:
1. What possible reason could their “cohorts” have for “showing up” at a morgue… a slumber party?
2. Assuming that the rest of the gang are as big an idiot as you seem to think they are, you think those trigger happy GPF would want to lock them up??? Is dead all dem dead along with all the information that they have in their heads.

You are in the lead for that Einstein Award son…
albouystown gyal
on September 2nd, 2008 11:30 am

A good boy my foot

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ngsefoo
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 12:39 pm:
dead men tell no tales

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FISHERMAN
on September 2nd, 2008 11:40 am

THIS IS NOT NEW IN GUYANA WHEN THE POLICE MAKE INNOCENT PERSON BECOME CRIMINAL IN MY CONTRY, IF YOU ALL CAN,T REMEMBER THE KILLING IN NEWAMSTERDAM ,BERBICE,THE AERA CALL COWDAM. WHEN AN SENIOR POLICE OFFCER USE TO USE IS OFFICE TO BEAT UP AN MAN , FOR SOME REASON , THE MAN MADE REPORTS TO THE COMMANDER AN THEY DID NOTHING ABOUT IT THEN WHAT THE MAN DID THE HOLE CONTRY WENT INTO SHOCK,HE TAKE IS KIDS AN SEND THEM AWAY ,AN TAKE AN CUTLASS AN KILL THE THE POLICE MAN WIFE AN 2 YOUNG KIDS ,AN HANG HIMSELF , POLICE SHOULD NO THAT IF U TAMENTED PEOPLE THEY WILL GET FED UP , STOP THE HARRASMENT AN DO YOUR JOB BETTER YOU ILL GET MORE HELP FROM THE PUBLIC

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ravin
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 5:00 pm:
iam from cow dam i dont remember this …………………..i think the police is a bit more profectional in there duties now..my best friend just happen 2 b a police

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FISHERMAN
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 7:17 pm:
TO , RAVIN , CANT YOU REMEMBER THE MAN THAT YOU CALL PACKHOO, MAN THAT THE POLICE MAN BEAT UP AN DAMANGE IS BODY PARTS , i think it was in S/FEILD , THE MOTHER WAS CHOPED ABOUT THE BODY AN THE TWO KIDS AS WELL
albouystown gyal
on September 2nd, 2008 11:51 am

All these ppl who picking up for fine man is no better than him…he sister want cry and say omg they kill my small brother wat had happened when he kill those 5 kids and those innocent ppl that didn’t do a thing to him.I am very very happy he’s dead and I pray they find the rest of them good for nothings

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optimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 2:36 pm:
gyal. Were you there when he killed them? Or you see it in yuh crystal ball. Or maybe you is a see-far woman. You got evidence or you jus buy everything dat de GPF seh.

Personally I am not sorry fuh e cus dat is de life dat e choose. As a result of choosing dat life style, he paid de ultimate price. Maybe he did do all dose heinous crimes, I cannot and would not say dat e didn’t. We have seen time and time again that lifestyle leads to an early grave. That much I am sure of.

Why are you precipitous and short sighted in thinking that just because some of us may show a little disbelief and restraint when the GPF come with their usual lies and fabrication to make themselves look good that we picking up fuh someone?

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Ricardo
on September 2nd, 2008 11:51 am

So many can attest to Police harassment and has not turned to crime so I just cannot begin to comprehend how this uncle can utter such crap.
Perhaps he was reaping some of the murderous and ill gotten loot.
This uncle needs to wake up from his slumber or hibernation

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John Smith
on September 2nd, 2008 12:12 pm

Travis Kyte seem to know Fineman and Skinny first hand and from what he is saying they are known “characters” from an early age. I have to wonder why the relatives of these two did not do something about their neferious begining. People have this way of blaming others for their short comings. I am not saying that the police don’t commit their ignominies, just look at today’s Stabroek News. Parents are responsible for their children upbriging and children are responsible for themselves after eighteen.

I remember not so long ago, early one morning there was this violent banging on my door. Upon checking to see what was going on with sleep still in my eyes only to be julted awake by some police with guns trained at me. One shouted, “Who else in there.” My eyes popped wide open in a combination of fear and shock, I musterd a few words, ” My wife.” One stock his head into the doorway and saw my puzzled wife coming to investigate the comotion. They left without any explantion or apology. I looked out so see what was happening on the street only to see a van load of more manacing looking police, armed to the teeth infront my yard. That was enough to make someone weigh the pros and cons.

I want nothing to do with the police and I also want my family to want the same.

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bourdaman
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 3:10 pm:
That’s right, you don’t want to have anything to do with the police until you need them to investigate a crime against you or your family. The Police cannot operate without help from the “Public” which you are apart of.

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John Smith
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 4:32 pm:
I am not saying I don’t want to help the police, I am saying I don’t want to be found on their wrong side.

People are afraid to give information to the police because it has been proven time and time again that this is not taken in confidence. By the time you leave the station, people already know what you been there for.

bourdaman
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 7:43 am:
John - You said, “I want nothing to do with the police” not “I don’t want to be found on their wrong side”. However, I understand your concern about confidentiallity. I hope Mr. Greene is hearing this.

bull
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 7:21 am:
John smith I could relate to what you are saying. a lot of these bloggers where never in your shoes, and until they experience it they will speak different. I spent 6 mths in de bush just change some of my gold and was returning to my wife and kids when 2 poliecemen arrested my friend and I. The cpl sd that if he had caught us on our workground he would have shot us dead, after pointing a gun to my head and kicking me in my face.( I later had to removed a few of my teeth ) He realise that it wasn’t not us. He stole some of my money and when I wrote to the Minister of Home Affairs I was charged. my friend was not ( just in case you would like to know what happen to de story. noting came out of it the case was dismissed and the cpl was transfer from “F” divison to Berbice since he had other similar matters. I was young and ignorant and sd that I am not taking no more harrasment frm de po po. and often wonder if this is de price I have to pay for growing up in a church ( being an altar boy) living the last 2 years of high school in the detective dept of the police force. Having police friends. I could just Immagine how jesus felt while being nailed to that cross. Now if the policeman did shoot me all these bloggers would tell you how many crimes I committed. I am not saying that “fineman and Skinny had to turn to crime I did not. I took the rest of my money and started running Berbice and Essequibo ( controband did not go back in de bush )

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ngsefoo
on September 2nd, 2008 12:43 pm

Regardless of the situation, the gpf has to filter society of all persons of suspect character.-The end justifies the means.

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ASITIS
on September 2nd, 2008 12:51 pm

I wonder why when a person dead no matter how bad they were the family don’t see it that way. Someone else is always to be blamed for the downfall…..they dead man always had a bright future ……I guess the saying your own is your own whenever you’re done, is true…..People funny.

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Khufu
on September 2nd, 2008 1:12 pm

Optimistic pessimist you are a very inteligent and fair person, Guyana needs more people like you. Sorry I cant say that for mackydog;he can’t seem to understand that nobody is supporting these criminals and that you are making the point about professionalism in the police force which any modern state should desire.

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torbo
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 4:26 pm:
well said my bro its amazing what these bloggers in here say ,like commonsense gone they cannot comprehend nothing that is being said
here other than kill kill kill ??

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optimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 4:32 pm:
Thank you Khufu, that was most kind of you.

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bull
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 7:33 am:
khufu did you see that nackydog absent heself last week when Carlveecock and joe was tl;aking about casino and how the government could generate income. Mackydog does only read part of de news. as soon you tlk bad abt his pp govt. he ready to defend dem. I do not like reading but mackydog should go to the libary and ask de gal at de desk fuh help he find books written by Karl Marks, Max Waber ( pronounce vaber) Arnold Laswell and Sydney and beatrice Webb. then he maybe able to relate to what is being sd by some bloggers and he will not try to defend the government on certain issues ( Yes I was born in British Guiana )

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ink09
on September 2nd, 2008 1:14 pm

I had said a while back that whenever one of these criminals was killed, you will see their families coming and saying that these were good boys, they always went to church, they always helped they mammy with de chores, they always helped out de poor, they always was hard working, they always sing christmas carols during christmas time, and they always saying please and thank you kindly. LOL. The only people fineman and skinny’s family can fool are the fools in our society.

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optimistic pessimist
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 4:34 pm:
ink09, That was really funny, you have a point there too.

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Kim
on September 2nd, 2008 2:32 pm

Skinny and fineman killed alot of Innocent people, I remember watching those children, on the floor dead with their mothers and fathers , some sleeping and some trying to hide. Now people if those people were your family, think about how you would have felt. For people who just read the papers and watch the television and make their own judgements, you should thank God fineman or skinny did not enter your homes and kill you or your love ones.

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torbo
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 4:31 pm:
kim what is your point dear,?? dont let ignorance take over your ability
to think and respond to the comments in this room, nobody aint siding with
the criminals , they are giving you a back ground of these men that is all
phew///

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new deal
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 7:10 pm:
ignorance have already taken u over.

amen-ra
In reply to the above comment on September 2nd, 2008 4:59 pm:
Kim did you see fineman kills those people with your own eyes, or you going along with what the police say if you wasn’t there it’s second hand information.

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blueboyy2k
on September 2nd, 2008 3:05 pm

If you are a deadly criminal, the some day you’ll have to face the law!

Families are always saddened (as expected) when these persons are killed, or have to face the law. However, the killings carried out by these criminals against innocent civilians shows utter disrespect for the lives of innocent people. They should not be allowed to “pollute” our environment any further.

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dray
on September 2nd, 2008 3:44 pm

I think the families of fine man like his so call wicked worth less uncle should be invescated and see if the were reaping the dirth money that fine man and his gan was wrobing and killing and be bought to justice . And those other people who backing fine man should be ashame of them selfs and probaly there r just like him . And finaly it would be a shame for the government of Guyana to allow fineman to have a humanlike funeral ..

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Irreverend
on September 2nd, 2008 3:47 pm

“Police harassment turned ‘Fineman’ into criminal – uncle says” ? Then Jesus H. Christ should have turned into the devil after state crucifixion!

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StoneP
on September 2nd, 2008 4:28 pm

We all make choices in life. He chose unwisely! Funny how comments about god-faring etc come up when these guys get shot to death by police. By the way, the article mentioned two ‘heavily armed policemen’. Exactly how many guns was each one of the policemen carrying….or were they just carring heavy guns?

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barbie
on September 2nd, 2008 6:06 pm

well i know know for sure is that more crimes will be commited (God Forbid) but then who will be blamed???? Honestly people, do u really believe the did all those killings???

NEWS FLASH!!!

Ghosts of Fineman & Skinny Continue Killing Spree

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Vicram
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 12:17 am:
I don’t believe that Fine Man has the brains, the network nor the resources to commit all these crimes.

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Ricardo
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 4:47 pm:
After training and constant practice one get accustomed to his/her environment then perfect same.
Point is if a crime is committed and the criminal gets away one thing leads to another. Should the victim put up a resistance it leaves the criminal one of two choices leave or eliminate the victim. Should he choose the latter then after the first it becomes easier by the minute to commit more heinous crimes.
Within den of thieves their will be one who orchestrates the crimes.
Fineman may have been the “leader” but just by presence.
Just look at the Government there is a “leader” but who is the real leader

shaun calder (IBGT4eva)
In reply to the above comment on September 6th, 2008 12:42 am:
Not like i agree with you but it does seem unlikely…Yet the ability of one is often unspoken of.
freetorun
on September 2nd, 2008 6:51 pm

excuses after excuses,

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bishnu R
on September 2nd, 2008 8:29 pm

all of you bloggers have to learn the tune.
oh
‘ he used to go to church every sunday.
people please go to guyana and stay for a month and get a feel,

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Mr Anaconda
on September 3rd, 2008 1:35 am

DONT READ IF YOU HAVE ANY SYMPATHY FOR THOSE CRIMINALS PLEASE!

Dont care who like it or not. I dont think they should have a funeral. They should throw them away somewhere. No one in their right mind really care if they have a funeral or not. They killed 30+ people, women, kids and dos(remember that). They should not even allow the family to see them, they had their chance. That Uncle of his seems to be pretty retarded also. He blames the police for that. Those guys are murderers and have no respect for life. You cant blame the parents, they teach and raised them differently i guess. They choose that life. As the old say goes……. you make your bed then lie on it. I have no sympathy for those damn criminals. If it was one of your family member that got killed by him, you would have think different. Thats all i have to say, if you dont like it why did you read it?? I warned you on the first sentence!

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Kim
In reply to the above comment on September 3rd, 2008 1:13 pm:
I agree, to hell with them.

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DMACK
on September 3rd, 2008 7:12 am

To all Guyanese who live abroad, and think this is an open and shut case, were is the evidence to substantiate that FINEMAN is guilty of all these crime. I cannot comprehend how a single man and a handful of kids can whole Guyana in such terror. If FINEMAN is guilty then justice has been done (it would of been nice to take him alive to find out unaswered question) but I live abroad, and have seen how you can get the massive (weak minded) to believe anything…so I say to my Guyanese ppl, open your mind, ask question and the truth will reveal itself.
What ever happen to the case concerning Ronald Waddell? they have not accuse FINEMAM of that crime.

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El diablo
on September 3rd, 2008 3:10 pm

It is possible they were preventing the relatives from seeing the body because they did’nt want them to see possible marks of violence. How do we really know if they tried to give themselves up? If you remember how “blackie” was killed you would understand why i’m very suspicious.

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connica
on September 3rd, 2008 7:34 pm

I cannot understand why it is that Guyanese people is so stupid,when it was Blackie wanted he did every thing ,so when it was fine man and skinny wanted they do every thing.so tell me GUYANESE fools who is the nexted person that will be doing every crime around GUYANA stop the RACIAL attitude and think,they will be gone and the crime will continue,that is because when the GUNs was handed to these young people to kill their own people the Goverment never thoguht the same guns will turn back on them.

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connica
on September 3rd, 2008 7:53 pm

when fine man sister was killed,tell me Guyanese ,why did you people did not talk about that,i guess you’ll will say that you’ll not certain. Marcyn was my friend we went to school together,and i never knew her brothers,but that is not the problem,the problem is people are still being brain wash by the goverment of Guyana,remember Jim Jones did a good brain wash and it end with him cannot live with himself for the things he did,he kill himself it is believed,young men of the Police force in Guyana i am pleaing with you,most of you will get Mad before you are ready to enjoy your old age,opt out and run now,because the devil is as strong as the LORD the families of these victims are not taking it lightly,some of you might stay just like that one day and jump infront of cars or in one of our wrost rivers,the soldiers of America is seeking asylum in other countries not to fight the so called war that Bush started,so don’t let Money the Guyana Goverment give you money to go and kill the relative of criminals they them selves created put the guns down and stop working and see how our country will be restored by foreign policy maker,some body will step in and help,stop killing people family to find them and harassing the friends of these criminals that you created.

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shaun calder (IBGT4eva)
In reply to the above comment on September 6th, 2008 12:47 am:
It does seems as tho you have a wide idea fof what you speak…believe me it does.

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guyanese69
on September 4th, 2008 7:58 pm

It is actually very disturbing to see so many people commenting here try to defend the carcass of a dead criminal.

As usual when the criminals are alive and running amok, these same socalled friends and family are quiet, now when the crook is stiff in a box, and all these people come out of the wood work pointing fingers.

If this criminals was my family or friend, I would keep quiet and let the state dig a hole and dispose of the carcass quietly as they see fit.

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UltimateW
In reply to the above comment on September 5th, 2008 10:45 am:
Hey guyanese69 , You nail it !

I can’t believe it myself ! these people are siding with dead criminals. Why did these same people not give more sympathy to the victims of Lusignan and Bartica ?

Mackydog I support your first comment .

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DMACK
on September 5th, 2008 9:00 am

Guyanese69, This has nothing to do with defending a dead criminal, it’s about substantiation!!!!!

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UltimateW
on September 5th, 2008 10:50 am

Mr.Anaconda . You did warn them about reading your comment . I support you on this man ! Cool !

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Brave
on September 7th, 2008 7:23 am

Every man has a right to decide his/her own destiny,meaning no one not even the police could make you become a crimminal.

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BlackDiamond
on September 7th, 2008 5:49 pm

I don’t agree with the manner in which these men where killed but I can’t say I’m not happy they’re dead, my people could finnally get some peace even if it’s for a short while.

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evileyes
on September 8th, 2008 10:03 am

what nonsense comin from this uncle.why run from police when u do nothing wrong?why did the uncle not complined to police b4?its a bunch of crap about police made him a criminal.a criminal is a criminal is a criminal and nothing more.no one turns anyone into a criminal.its your warped mind that made him into a crim

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