Dear Editor,
I write this letter in response to Vidyaratha Kissoon’s ‘Freud did not think homosexuality a mental disorder’ which was published in the Stabroek News May 23, 2008, and in support of the stance Roger Williams has taken so far on the issue.
I see that the subject of homosexuality is now dominating our national conversation and the participants in this conversation are using all kinds of arguments to support their stance be it for or against homosexuality. The latest of these arguments centered on Freud and whether or not he countenanced homosexuality. I think whether or not Sigmund Freud accepted homosexuality as a normal way of life is not at all important to the argument. One must also be aware of the social consequences of Freudianism, especially in relation to homosexuality, because as revealed by his letter to Mrs N, dated April 9, 1935 his psychoanalysis was aimed at exorcising from the individual any qualms or feelings of guilt. In other words, Freud’s psychoanalysis would have removed from the young man, who was obviously perturbed by his own homosexual behaviour, his conscience. Think of the consequences of a conscienceless society.
Others in support of homosexuality rest their arguments on the basis of individual freedom. Those who hold this view must be instructed, to use a quote from Kant, that “freedom is the ratio essendi of the moral law,” therefore freedom must be balanced by the adherence to the moral law. Also we have so many other issues of violations of individual freedom that beset us in this society that I doubt those that use freedom as the basis for their arguments are any more interested in individual freedom than in pursuing their own hedonistic agenda.
There are those who also argue that homosexuality is not a choice but it is genetic. This is a very frightening argument because it removes the basis upon which we can hold people responsible for their actions especially in light of the conclusions below by Dr Simon LeVay in his study of the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men.
“It’s important to stress what I didn’t find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn’t show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay centre in the brain.”
As a Rastafarian my view on the Gay issue is akin to that of Roger Williams. I use him as the point of reference because he is the only person apparently (with access to a pen or keyboard) that has a keen understanding of the dire consequences of a society gone gay. He is the only person that is stressing the need to look at the issue from its sociological point of view.
Homosexuality is an aberration, a social pathology, just like suicide, murder, substance abuse and other such social ills. And it would be unscientific to treat it as a normal and natural way of life. And while I will in no way advocate the killing of gays, I would definitely advocate some form of psychotherapy and behaviour control.
In concluding, I would like to draw attention to SASOD’s website (http://www.sasod.-org.gy/?q=node/8) where there are testimonials by teenagers of their experiment with homosexuality; this is a clear indication that ours youths are being targeted.
Yours faithfully,
Ras Ashkar
This letter was so nicely written until the second to last paragraph… On what grounds is Ras Ashfar equating homosexuality to murder? This paragraph really does a great injustice to the letter and stifles the intellectual worth of the aforementioned points…..
Here are some quick resources that help us in understanding the sociological implications of gay militancy in Guyana and the Caribbean:
1. Lee Mundy, Editor in Chief of the Regent University Law Review Series ( http://www.regent.edu/news/lawreview/articles/14_2editorsnote.doc ) …
“So we are left with the unpopular job of setting the record straight. The legal community has a right to know, among other things, that a link exists between homosexuality and the sexual abuse of children, that the American Psychiatric Association was hijacked by homosexual activists, that homosexuality is being marketed to children, that studies claiming that homosexual parenting does not harm children are questionable, that homosexuality is not immutable, and that homosexual advocates are calling for the legalization of pedophilia.”
2. Dr. Steve Baldwin’s law review “Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement” ( http://www.regent.edu/news/lawreview/articles/14_2Baldwin.doc ; 14 REGENT U.L. REV. 267 2002):
“Unfortunately, the truth is stranger than fiction. Research confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals, and the mainstream homosexual culture commonly promotes sex with children. (
See W.D. Erickson et al, Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters, 17 ARCHIVES SEXUAL BEHAV. I, 83 [1988] and numerous other references on page 2 of 16 in Dr. Baldwin’s review). Homosexual leaders repeatedly argue for the freedom to engage in consensual sex with children, and blind surveys reveal a shockingly high number of homosexuals admit to sexual contact with minors. Indeed, the homosexual community is driving the worldwide campaign to lower the age of consent”
3. For a closer look at the legal implications in the Guyana context, read the online introductory summary “Supporting ‘Gay Rights’ laws would court legal disaster”, found at http://www.scribd.com/doc/913879/Supporting-Gay-Rights-laws-would-court-legal-disaster-
Regards
Roger Williams
Here is the correct link to the sasod article referenced in the letter : http://www.sasod.org.gy/?q=node/8
First of all, let me state for the records, that I am a woman, a mother, once a wife and now in divorce court, I urge SN to publish my link. I find a lot people need to spend some time learning the issue before posting anywhere.
“Unfortunately, the truth is stranger than fiction. Research confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals, and the mainstream homosexual culture commonly promotes sex with children. ” is patently fake and wrong. In fact, disgraceful to the person who even repeats it. It is not true however much you quote a source. I would quote child molestation stats from any country to shame you into oblivion but I urge you not to tempt me. I am your worst nightmare, the one who loves fact fact fact fact! I think with the left brain and am influenced by my right, and proudly so!
I urge you,oh god I do! Please click on this link! Click, then read the entire thread–again I do. And no, I don’t want to advertise this site, although if I can, I would, i just want you to see this story from all perspectives–let’s give real people a chance———and to heck with our opinion! Sometimes, it is better to be wrong if right wins out. Try it sometimes guys. You’ll love it!
I sense the pain in Gap1’s response, but cannot also deny the fact that she, like Vidyaratha kissoon and Sasod, wants her detractors to dismiss the evidence and depend on emotion, to pretend that a law review open to peer review and the scrutiny of the courts can be easily dismissed.
Dr. Jeffrey Satinover (”Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth”) has offered that, with groups like SASOD, the denial was so intense that self-examination was entirely precluded. Are we witnessing the same thing here?
The Christian community long ago decided to do just what Ras Ashkar did … to read the thinly veiled attempts at recruitment and entrapment aimed at children. Such a policy depends on its “customers” ignorance of the deathstyle it hopes to sell. In the end, then, the best response was to reveal the extent of what is perhaps the greatest hoax in human history … that gay militancy is based on stupendous and self-destructive lies.
So, as we go through these law reviews point by point, the question for Gap1 will be this: “What, exactly, do you disagree with in the David Lee Mundy’s editorial note?” … partly replicated below:
David Lee Mundy’s editor’s note:
( http://www.regent.edu/news/lawreview/articles/14_2editorsnote.doc )
“We did not aspire to publish these articles. We did not seek them out. They sought us out. They sought us out because their ideas are shocking–too shocking to be printed elsewhere. They are shocking because they speak the truth, a truth that certain groups do not want to be told and will hate us for printing.”
“Somebody had to tell the truth. We take no pleasure in it. We would rather these articles had been published elsewhere. Elsewhere they might have been afforded more credibility. Some well-intentioned people may dismiss these articles because they are associated with a Christian law school. Some ill-intentioned people may maliciously label our law review and the authors as bigots, religious homophobes, or much worse. We are nothing of the sort. And the authors are all intelligent, highly-credentialed professionals. For example, Dr. George Rekers is Professor of Neuropsychiatry and Behavioral Science in the University of South Carolina School of Medicine; Dean Byrd is a clinical professor in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Utah School of Medicine. And the list goes on.”
“We apologize in advance for the graphic nature of this publication. We say that, not out of some affected prudishness, but because we are genuinely appalled. We are appalled at the virtual sewer of source material that our staff had to wade through in order to verify the authors’ research. We are most appalled, however, to discover that this graphic sexual material is being involuntarily foisted on school children.”
We will go into the greater detail the law review provides as this thread continues …
LINK. READ THE ENTIRE THREAD, THEN YOU WON’T FEEL SO SURE OF YOURSELF IF YOU ARE JUDGING OTHERS ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU BELIEVE!
http://www.guyanesereunions.com/guyanaforums/showthread.php?t=266
Hate, Hate, Hate and more hate!
There is no proven statistic that predominantly gays molest children; it is propaganda by individuals who wish to scare the population into believing that it is somehow right to discriminate against a person based on biological differences. Put the most vulnerable group in the same sentense with the most misunderstood…and we do what George Bush has done with the War in Iraq. Scare people into committing murder based on a LIE.
Now for that ignorant donkey using the genetic argument! Did you know that some persons are born with both reproductive organs? You’ll send them also to “the fringes”? C’mon…wake up. While some people do choose to be gay, not all gays choose to be gay. Its hormonal, and biological. I never heard of a gay murderer or a gay thief or a gay crimminal for that matter.
If you need to blame someone/some group for the immoral behaviour of the world…its the heterosexuals/straight people we have to worry about, like those on this comments page who are somehow justifying hate. No gay guy isnt coming to rape your daughter or murder innocent children like in Lusignan/Bartica…or go shooting fishermen on accusations.
Stop being hateful. And don’t bring any biblical argument. The bible was used to justify slavery and we all know no God ever sanctioned slavery…
The first and the last sentences in this response by JackieSmith illustrates the inevitable issues that opponents to gay militancy will encounter. It is called the ad hominem argument.
But we must remain focused, and provide JackieSmith with the tools she needs to reach a responsible conclusion.
To address the last sentence first, Jackie will find comfort in the knowledge that what the Bible usually addresses in a few sentences is inevitably borne out by years of outstanding academic research. Think about this carefully before you respond …
To address the first sentence of her comment, we should, like the response to Gap1, point her to another section of the Editor’s Note of the “Homosexuality, Truth Be Told” law review series. Where is the “hate” in the following statement?
( http://www.regent.edu/news/lawreview/articles/14_2editorsnote.doc )
“By failing to tell both sides of the story, law reviews have abdicated their responsibility to the legal community. Law reviews are meant to be dialogues on the law. Freedom of thought and speech suffer, however, when one side of a debate is dismissed for not being politically correct or is suppressed by a powerful lobby. We find the Orwellian implications of this academic taboo quite disturbing. Ultimately, the law and society will be the worse for it.”
JackieSmith can find lots of answers to her questions about “genetics” if she reads the law review “Why NARTH? The American Psychiatric Association’s Destructive and Blind Pursuit of Political Correctness” (14 REGENT U. L. REV. 423 (2002) ( http://www.regent.edu/news/lawreview/articles/14_2kaufman.doc ). We promise to go through this point by point also.
And now, perhaps, we should also address the detail of the law review “Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement” (
http://www.regent.edu/news/lawreview/articles/14_2Baldwin.doc )
let’s talk biology, two organs – one for the creation of life and the other for the sole purpose of excretion, how is it normal and healthy for the two to ‘intertwine’ for the useless purpose pleasure?
This act is, I submit , basically carnality at it’s lowest point in mankind’s evolution.
Therefore, as a purely pleasure driven culture why should we be politically correct and pretend it’s not?
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the demanding issue at hand is ,, if yuh want 4 mo’ years of l’il bush ,, den vote ,, vote for abel ,,
cos he is goin to lose to cain ,,Hillary on the other hand is who we need to bring the bacon to the table !!!!!!!
Roger Williams, people read these articles that you seem preoccupied with posting here, many of whom, obviously like you, have their own agenda based on either their religious beliefs or their own closet issues. I always consider the source, so your various articles do not impress me. I prefer to do my own research and arrive at my own conclusion based on sound research, not by ready hack-jobs, half loony quacks.
It is a true and factual statement, and many Catholic priests and Pastor Haggard could attest to that, that many that are driven to condemn homosexuality with venom, on the pulpit and in forums such as these, are themselves self-hating, self-denying homosexuals. I could never understand the venom that goes with gay bashing until Haggard was outed over here in America. He was strongest and one of the most vocal in condemning gays. In fact it was his life mission. I tend to be a bit more understanding than others in wanting to out these hyprocrites!
First of all, if homosexuality was a mental discease that could have been treated, the World Organisation of Psychologists would not have up to recently had to strongly reassert, an action that they did back in 1973, that homosexuality is not a mental disease. This is not to say, that there is ever a shortage of these wacko, whack job, religiously driven quacks, many of whom are closet homosexuals themselves, to make various claims that indeed it can. The truth about that, is that they cannot site one single case, where years afterwards, these “case-studies” are still “cured”, so make me laugh about something else, this one is too serious for my face to crack.
I urge you, instead of reading articles that claim Gays molest children more than heterosexuals, to find yourself the crime stats or sex crime stats and get the true figure there. Do your own research for a change and stop directing us to these people with agendas that anyone could spot a mile up the road. Easy really, check with the police. As an Editor-in-Chief, I view accuracy as an imperative.
I welcome this debate anytime but suffer me your own wisdom and logic. Stop citing others who are not doing very well themselves.
Dear Gap1,
“Wisdom and logic” means nothing outside of recognizing Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.
The Christian response to homosexuality, thievery, hooliganism, racism, adultery, promiscuity and other vices is not founded on a methodology or procedure, but the person of Jesus Christ, and a recognition of the Divine Exchange made on the cross at Calvary. It is in Him that Christians achieve their being, and we would be unwise to address many of your issues raised above without making this clear. I could elaborate on this Divine Exchange if you want …
It was therefore unfortunate that you now perpetuate a trend begun years ago when sasod and others challenged Christians to move their arguments against “decriminalizing” homosexuality outside the generous evidence offered by the Bible … in a mistaken belief that outstanding secular research would prove the Bible “wrong”. Unfortunately for them, as you can see from the evidence offered in the law reviews above, the astonishing fact was that the opposite was true. What the Bible usually addresses in a few short sentences with raw imperatives of the “thou shalt not” kind is almost inevitably borne out by outstanding secular research.
Gay militancy, we will find, is propped up on a gargantuan sandcastle of duplicity and activist subterfuge.
So this brings us to you, as “Editor-in-Chief” … and your pathological use of the ad hominem argument (which is properly defined as an attack on the proponent of a position and not the position itself).
- You ignore the credentials of the persons who wrote the law reviews as cited partially in my first response, and now call them “ready hack-jobs, half loony quacks, these wacko, whack job, religiously driven quacks”.
- You do not cite a single, repeat single, alternative and authoritative corroboration of your particular perspective.
- You do not cite the specific instance of the World Organization of Psychologists “reasserting strongly” that homosexuality is not a mental disease. You should share that announcement, and the medical/scientific basis upon which it was adopted. Thereafter, please compare that treatment with Dr. Joseph Nicolosi’s online article “The Removal of Homosexuality from the Psychiatric Manual” ( http://www.catholicsocialscientists.org/Symposium2–Nicolosi–mss.htm ), and the law review “Gay Orthodoxy and Academic Heresy” ( http://www.regent.edu/news/lawreview/articles/14_2Clevenger.doc ).
- Your reference to Catholic Priests and Haggard should best elicit comments from these persons themselves, but surely what must also count is the extreme efforts at soul-searching, repentance, reorganization, and restoration in the Catholic church today. If I am not mistaken, in both of your cases the parties admitted to what were essentially criminal acts.
- Which brings us to Dr. Jeffrey Satinover. The Congressional Record of May 1996 writes that Satinover’s “Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth” is perhaps … the best book on homosexuality written in our lifetime! One comment in the book that should concern you is this: “Homosexuality is but one of the many forms of ‘soul sickness’ that that are innate to our fallen natures!”
Soul sickness? Fallen natures? Is it possible that we are in fact talking about a treatable mental and emotional “disorder”? Is there a spiritual influence to homosexuality? Perhaps the answers are to be found at the site http://www.hiswayout.com. Dr. Nicolosi laments the fact that persons seeking psychiatric attention are simply rejected. Guyana’s own Human Services Ministry advocates that homosexuality, pornography and prostitution are “too complex” for the Ministry to address in forthcoming legislation. This would be laughable, were it not true.
The above would obviously be painful for you, but we must persist, and keep hammering home the truth.
That the treatment, for every conceivable disorder in the range of human experience, is found in Jesus Christ!
He is faithful, and will do it!
Roger Williams is a bigot. May I suggest that he dedicate his energies to improving the plight of the African Guyanese. It would seem a more purposeful cause.